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WRX - Sideways not easy!?
I haven't tried to get it drifting yet but it dont feel like it would be easy to get it sliding without either slipping the clutch or giving it some major stick in the boost range into the apex of a corner.
Its my first AWD so wanted to ask some of you more experienced wrx owners whats needed to get these things moving the wrong way :p Would you expect to be able to power on and lose traction? it dont feel like to me as there's not really any torque below 3000-3500rpm so would have to be in boost range right? |
Originally Posted by Scooby_Sport
I haven't tried to get it drifting yet but it dont feel like it would be easy to get it sliding without either slipping the clutch or giving it some major stick in the boost range into the apex of a corner.
Its my first AWD so wanted to ask some of you more experienced wrx owners whats needed to get these things moving the wrong way :p Would you expect to be able to power on and lose traction? it dont feel like to me as there's not really any torque below 3000-3500rpm so would have to be in boost range right? I havent been able to do it apart from yanking the ebrake, but I have seen a few people do it (also N1 said a few times) by braking turning the wrong way then the right way and WOT causing the tail to come round. I will again be attempting this on the pan in a few weeks :) Not easy with a stock WRX is it ? |
Not at all me thinks no, I think its around the 265bhp mark but its not like giving a torque mk2 a bit of grunt and yeeehhaaaaaaa!
Actually even in the wet I dont think it would be easy as these things stick so well! |
Originally Posted by Scooby_Sport
Not at all me thinks no, I think its around the 265bhp mark but its not like giving a torque mk2 a bit of grunt and yeeehhaaaaaaa!
Actually even in the wet I dont think it would be easy as these things stick so well! Still Simon managed to get her slidin all day, I wonder if he would share some thoughts... |
there isn't really enough room on the road to practice anything but power oversteer exiting corners and then you are usually going too fast.
try on track or airfield, first turning off the power, thn maybe gently on the brakes and then try a scandinavian flick. one of these should get the backend moving then up to you t work out what to do with steering & power. |
If you wanna go sideways, get the STI with dccd, mine goes whenever I want it to, but my previous uk car was hard, only managed it once on a wet corner with big revs and a tap on the clutch
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Go to a large car park or open area.To give yourself a guide place a cone or tyre out in the middle.Accelerate in a straight line towards it and as you reach it dip the clutch and raise the revs,now boot it as if you were trying to wheel spin a normal front wheel drive car.Turn the steering sharply left or right and head in a direction 90 degrees to the way you were traveling.With sudden direction change car should let go and depending on weather conditions(wet is best) you should be able to keep car sliding with blips of throttle.Worked for me on 94 wrx.
Oh and try changing your wheels/tyres to a narrow or well worn set for a days practicing-all four same if possible and pumped up to max psi |
I'm not unfamiliar with going sideways (mk2-2.2ltr road rallys :)
But these not quite as easy, anyways got her going in 2nd today, coming onto open 90 right, 2nd gear and wet, gave it a quick clutch and into the revs and out she came BUT she also gripped like a pig on heat by which time I'd hit boost and run out of road very quickly :) Was big buzzz though! |
Not by any means advocating sideways driving on the public roads, but in the wet you should be able to get the back end out in 2nd, by coming in fast, lifting the throttle suddenly on turn in to provoke lift-off oversteer and then flooring it again as the back end swings. Then start steering !!
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Originally Posted by AvalancheS8
Not by any means advocating sideways driving on the public roads, but in the wet you should be able to get the back end out in 2nd, by coming in fast, lifting the throttle suddenly on turn in to provoke lift-off oversteer and then flooring it again as the back end swings. Then start steering !!
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Good post, I got hold of the Duke DVD. 'The Drift Bible'.... hmm.... not for the public roads methinks but if you have not already seen it may be of interest.
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You need to do this on track; though it is easy to do especially at Brands. At the turn in points & especially if the road is wet (which helps drifting scenarios) if in 3rd gear & doing 50-70, turn the wheel sharply right, bringing back to centre, with gentle applications of throttle you can control the amount of drift along with moving the steering wheel.
You'll know when you are drifting as the tyre squeal will go & you'll be looking out the passenger window for directions. The issue is that if you do get off the black stuff & hit the rumble strips, you'll become a passenger... If you do this at a track day grab an instructor & get them to show you the technique, this of course is alot of fun but not the quickest way around the track. To start off with you need more bottle, to master you need skill & technique......& don't be tempted to do this in the pouring rain.......you'll skill will soon run out & your bottle may just leave a stain on the seat..... ;) |
It's easy!!! You just need big cahoonas, and be disciplined enough not to think it's the end of the world if it all goes Pete Tong! :D
CK. |
Originally Posted by XtremeScoobies
You need to do this on track; though it is easy to do especially at Brands. At the turn in points & especially if the road is wet (which helps drifting scenarios) if in 3rd gear & doing 50-70, turn the wheel sharply right, bringing back to centre, with gentle applications of throttle you can control the amount of drift along with moving the steering wheel.
You'll know when you are drifting as the tyre squeal will go & you'll be looking out the passenger window for directions. The issue is that if you do get off the black stuff & hit the rumble strips, you'll become a passenger... If you do this at a track day grab an instructor & get them to show you the technique, this of course is alot of fun but not the quickest way around the track. To start off with you need more bottle, to master you need skill & technique......& don't be tempted to do this in the pouring rain.......you'll skill will soon run out & your bottle may just leave a stain on the seat..... ;) |
my winter wheels are good for going sideways
theres a curved slip road on my way to work which, when damp can be taken with full throttle and 3rd gear, which does a nice job of putting it sideways, none of this pansey 2cnd gear malarky ;) |
Fit some toyos youll slide everywhere then wether you want to oor not JASON
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its quite easy to do if you push the car hard enough, basically you've got to upset the balance of the car and then it'll drift easily
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On my third set of Toyos Jason an i don't get the slide you have described!
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i've got Toyo Proxies and i can get mine to drift easily
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I have jap import 94 an mine goes sideways with out even trying, but maybe this could have something to with it being so low!!!! an the suspension is a bit ? (feel every bump on the road) if you get my Drift!!! :)
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yeay really good fun but don t do it on road as i ave learnt . hit kerb = one bent hub and coput wheel :freak3:
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its not for the road :cuckoo:
take it on the track push it hard and it`ll go you can`t bet it stepping out at 90+ when your trying hard its that easy drive it hard keep pushing and practice its not for the road you can`t drive them that hard on the road forget the flic this turn that brake here. take it on the track keep pushing around a bend i`ll go keep the power on turn it in and happy slidding Mark 20L mk 2 escort 260 bhp stage rally car http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_3_104.gif |
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Originally Posted by Mark320STI
its not for the road :cuckoo:
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Originally Posted by Scooby-Girl
I have jap import 94 an mine goes sideways with out even trying, but maybe this could have something to with it being so low!!!! an the suspension is a bit ? (feel every bump on the road) if you get my Drift!!! :)
I had terrible understeer on mine too, the suspension and geom set up soon corrected that and I was able to execute some lovely drifts. When I had my rex, they were shod with Toyos on 17" rims, I felt at the time that choice of tyre was great as they have a progressive nature allowing you to be able to control the slide every step of the way. :) Going round a corner and just lifting off or tapping the brakes with the left foot is the simplest way of getting your rear end to step out, but needs some practice and of course ladies and gents, on a private piece of land or on track. :) |
no its not stock suspension not sure wat it is ill ask hubby when i see him, ?
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scooby-girl
hi
was not having ago :freak3: if you get the chance take your car out on a track day you`ll love it its wot there made for |
Originally Posted by Jason Knowles
Fit some toyos youll slide everywhere then wether you want to oor not JASON
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Take a look at the stickered-up WRX at the top of the previous page and then PM the webmaster and ask him how difficult it was to dive the car sideways for over 2 hours ;)
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Originally Posted by bgood
Got Toyo's on the front of my 94 WRX and it's a nightmare in the wet understeers like mad :mad: Tried to be brave last night going round a roundabout and keep me foot on the throttle hoping there would be some grip from the back (it's worked before) but it just seemed to send me toward the kerb even faster. Committed the ultimate :nono: in the end, backed off the throttle and proceeded to spin :rolleyes:, not a full 360 fortunately came to a stop facing the right way to continue round the roundabout, decided not to bother though, took the exit I wanted and went on my merry way :D
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