UK Turbo 2000 vs Seat Leon Cupra R
 

One of my friends has a Seat Leon Cupra R (225bhp I beleive in std form, 0-60 6.8 seconds, top speed 150mph) he reckons it'll leave my UK Turbo (full decat, approx 240bhp?)

He also reckons he's running 290bhp from a chip (ahem..) and got 165mph out of it last night....

Now I know the 20vT is a tunable engine, but an extra 65bhp over std from a chip?... Any thoughts on this....

Anyway he's up for a race on my uncle's drag strip so maybe it's time I turn my boost up...

A standard 225bhp leon Cupra R can be chipped upto about 260bhp, just from a chip. Usually gains of between 30 and 40bhp. Then any other mods may take it further. But running 260bhp strains the turbo, as they are pretty weedy, but bigger turbos can easily be fitted to cope with this and increase power even further.
Just keep racing it up and down the drag strip a few times until his car goes pop.

seen one of those Cupra R's blasting around Combe last year..... it was modded to 350bhp I think (roller bearing turbo etc) and it was awsome.

Went round corners so much better than the scoobs...

<Flame suit on>

There are a couple running reliable 290bhp with minimal mods. They are pretty quick once going!!

The VAG tuners seem happy with the fairly poor standard intercoolers to run massive midrange boost to get torque. The ECUs are a lot better at knock control than most Subaru ECUs, so they just go a bit lumpy and hesitate from ignition retard if they overdo the boost whereas a Subaru might just go pop.

Chip alone on a 225bhp Lcr will see 265-275bhp roughly. It runs twin intercoolers so cooling on that model is fine. Stnd internal on the vag 1.8t 20v motor a good for 350bhp. The ibiza gearbox is the weak point 270lbs ft is the max, add a lsd and it can run 320lbs ft. As far as i know the Jabbasport IHI kits use IHI vf34 turbo's stage 1 270-280bhp stage 2 300-310bhp and stage 3 340-350bhp and torque ranges from 255-270lbs ft. A stage 3 car will beat a spec c from 50-140mph by about 3 seconds. So pretty quick.

been in a revo chipped cupra. it was very rapid in a straight line. only 2 wheel drive loses.

Blimey with that chip on I wouldnt fancy me chances in a straight line but I read somewhere the cupra was like roller skating on jelly? :D

I'd be interested to see that - saw a golf with this power (apparently), was only managing 12.5 secs 0-100 and 6 secs 0-60, so even the 60-100time was that great.

Are Jabba actually any good? I thought they were slight BS merchants with their claims, although I don't know much about the VAG scene so may well be wrong. Interested in the decent tuners with the westie, so accurate info is very appreciated :)

Here's actual logged data from a vmax run from a stage3 IBIza and a link to spec c times.


M3 csl, spec c, Gt3 times http://www.foamcow.net/cabby/pics/EVO1003P103.jpg

************* Acceleration Test ****************

Vehicle Seat Ibiza cupra 20vt

Time 15:37

Date 4/14/04

Vmax 159.32 mph

Dist Vmax 2289.218 m

Time Vmax 43.20 s



Speed Time Distance AccelG

00010 0.79 1.653 0.58

00020 1.67 7.494 0.55

00030 2.52 17.050 0.54

00040 3.36 30.159 0.54

00050 4.56 53.669 0.50

00060 5.38 73.988 0.51

00070 6.39 103.600 0.50

00080 8.17 161.810 0.45

00090 9.45 210.399 0.43

00100 11.06 279.144 0.41

00110 13.43 389.971 0.37

00120 15.72 507.841 0.35

00130 18.77 678.637 0.32

00140 24.62 1028.393 0.26

00150 31.19 1455.921 0.22

Was that a Jabba stg3?

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Its taking the Ibiza 5.38secs to 60mph. And hit the 100mph mark at 11.06secs. So thats 5.6sec 60-100mph time. The spec c take 6.8secs to cover the 60-100mph sprint. 0-60 4.3secs and 0-100mph in 11.1 secs. So from a standing start it beaten to the 100mph even thought the ibiza is 1.3 secs slower to 60mph. Seems fast enough.

I think it has forged pistons. And is running about 20bhp more than a bog stnd stage3 car. But i have been told that the extra 20bhp shows more towards the top end. 150+. Basically its just figures, but it shows the potential that is there. And once moving its certainly a quite fast car. I have heard 500-600bhp is achieveable with internal mods. But the gearbox etc would also have to be brought up in spec also. And who would want a 500-600bhp fwd Ibiza.

A friend of mine has a revo tuned R and his is pushing out 289bhp with 304lbft!!!!!

A very capable car thats not to be underestimated in my opinion. Still not quite as quick as me scoob though. But its costing me a fortune keeping it that way!

Ade :D

Not wanting to partake in the thread but..

By deducting the 0-60mph time from the 100mph time does not give a 60-100mph time.

Bob

Calling Cupramax :D He's your man :)

Why not?

It seems odd to compare modified with standard. To compare, my tuned classic with only bolt on mods and standard internals did c.400 BHP and 60-100 comfortably in the 4s (datalogs not speedo) if you started below 60mph in third gear and changed to 4th part way through, it was high 4s if you measured it (0-100)-(0-60) because you cross 60 at the top of second gear and change very soon afterwards wasting time.

A lot of people think 0-60 is irrelevant, but on the other hand it does give you an idea of real world acceleration/traction at legal speeds. FWD with acceleration figures as posted will be an unsatisfying tyre shredder?

I dont agree. I have been in Jabba's demo car. It eats M3's with ease. Its certainly an entertaining ride. Lets face it drop the power from 340bhp down to 300bhp and in real world terms it would still be a very reliable, fast road car.

I guess its a good thing. As we would all be driving the same cars all the time. But back to the subject in hand a chipped Lcr 225bhp version will be good bit of competition for 90% of scoobs out there in 90% of situations.

oh look a corner!!!!!!!

In what situations does it eat M3s with ease? Dual carriageway/drag strip, or twisties/track?

add a little rain for good measure
 

Dude, exactly what i was thinking, also add a little rain for good measure. To be fair tho the cupra's are quite quick. Ive had a dance with a few on motorways and through the peak district. Although the driver hesitated quite a bit in the wet, whereas the STI just said "bring it on bitch"!

On everyday roads i'd say it would give most of us a good run in the dry.

wheelie_sti

I had one of these behind me last night on the way home from work and he did a good job of keeping up all the way into 3 figures and my scoobys running 279bhp,don't know what his cupra was running but it did go well:D

Having driven both a standard Scoob and Cupra R, unless from a standing start, the Cupra would eat a standard scoob for breakfast once rolling. Fact, been there done it back to back.

A modified scoob is a different kettle of fish, about 260~270 would see the scoob keep with from rolling acceleration. 300bhp and the scoob would have the edge, any more and it gets easier.

I recently had one locally to me, keep with me from 70mph upto a silly speed, and that was with my 2.0litre running about 360bhp and 340lbft. So what the feck that had done, i dont know. Anyone who knows my car, especially in its 2.0litre guise, knows what it can do, so i dont admit to having a seat keep up with me for no reason.

Standard scoobs are crap from rolling starts, and a lot of the VAG Turbos will pull away from them.

Steven

I have a very lightly tweaked WRX 03 (with about 260bhp)and I can outrun a standard Cupra R - but they are very fast, mainly due to their fat torque curve which is almost flat from 2,000 to 5,000rpm!

Personally I think a chipped one with the right driver will loose to you in the 0-60 but will be faster in a straight line in every other scenario!

I run a '03 Leon Cupra R that has been REVO'd and it is a very capable car IMHO. I've done the Scoob thing both UK and JDM STI and have also run a CTR, S2000 and Boxster S over the last 5 years. The Cupra R has more torque than any of the above std. cars and that includes the STI. The main problems with the LCR are the obvious FWD traction issues which are not just limited to standing starts and also the fact that it runs a small turbo which runs out of steam. The REVO maps are quite aggressive and the full boost comes in with a wallop (spike), however, it only lasts for 1500rpm before tailing off quite dramatically. On the move, the LCR has tremendous mid range punch that will push you well into the seat even it 6th on the M'way. It does not handle as well as any of the cars listed above which compromises it a little but overall it is a good car with good std. spec Brembos etc. With the SPS (serial port switch) i can switch back to the stock map and then back to REVO just to remind myself of the difference or when there is snow & ice on the roads.

Overall the LCR is a performance bargain and i've enjoyed every minute of ownership. However, the 911 is calling now that pennies have been saved and I hope to buy mine in the next 3 months.:D