gym question
just wanna ask 2 questions
1, which one actually burns more fat 30 mins of cardio at 60% of target heartrate or 18 mins of 75% also like sprinting for half mile or walking for 1 mile 2, what is better press-ups 40 x the wide armed ones or 20 x the close hands one (where you put your two hands together thumbs and fingers in a triangle shape |
1. No idea, sorry. Is it worth getting into that much detail??
2. "Better" for what? |
My mates PT Instructor is ex Army PTI. Also trained the All Blacks. He trains my mate at 150bpm to just under 170bpm. The work out lasts for 45 mins on average at the mo.
Machines are mainly Running, rowing and shoulder press with others chucked in for good measure. Keeping in between that bpm range is the best for cardio and weight loss. If starting a training regime then start at 155bpm. I have just started this training scheme aswell. Damn awesome. |
If you want to burn fat then do a search for HIIT training - this is the best way so Ive been told.
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1 - 30 mins at 60% will burn more fat, 30 mins at 75% will burn off sugars first.
2 - The 2 types of press-up excersise both the same main and different sub-muscles, best off doing both types :) |
do 30 mins for 1hr at 95% and you will loose weight.
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Tiggs, doing 30 mins for 1 hour is pussy-like. Even my wife can do an hour for 1 hour.
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
do 30 mins for 1hr at 95% and you will loose weight.
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balls to cardio, rely on heavy intensive work outs
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Originally Posted by wwp8
just wanna ask 2 questions
2, what is better press-ups 40 x the wide armed ones or 20 x the close hands one (where you put your two hands together thumbs and fingers in a triangle shape One arm ones as well? I can't do those any more:(. One day, my son:D |
Originally Posted by super_si
balls to cardio, rely on heavy intensive work outs
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As franx says they target different muscle groups.
What you're best doing is sets of variations:- x normal x wide-arm x close-arm 40 or 20 depends on your current fitness level and whether you do them properly. I've seen plenty of folk batter out 50 where it's their head that's doing all the movement. Get your chest touching the floor and arms full extended if you want to do them properly. Burning fat is different to burning calories and the key is time spent exercising. A lower intensity will burn more fat than a high one. How high depends on your own target heart rate zone. To be honest 30mins is nothing if you seriously want to burn fat - try at least an hour. Sprinting will do more for your lungs and heart, so I'd do that regulalry over walking. Do some steady running to get the best of both worlds - burn fat when jogging and exercise your heart and lungs. Stefan |
Originally Posted by super_si
balls to cardio, rely on heavy intensive work outs
Try running for 8hrs with 50lbs on your back and we'll start talking about intensive workouts ;) Stefan |
Originally Posted by ozzy
To be honest 30mins is nothing if you seriously want to burn fat - try at least an hour.
Sprinting will do more for your lungs and heart, so I'd do that regulalry over walking. Do some steady running to get the best of both worlds - burn fat when jogging and exercise your heart and lungs. Sprinting, will get fitness up very quickly, especially interval work. If you go running, for example, try going out for an hour or so, and every few minutes, do a sprint, for, say 40 seconds, every 2-3 minutes, really putting everything into it, and going for it. That's a very effective way to get fitness up. I still think that overall fitness is a lot more use than power/strength. With good cardio fitness, weights will be 'easier' as well - so you'll be able to lift more, as the heart's fitter. Always maintain however, that without good technique, you have to do it for a lot longer, to get the benefits. Rowing, for example, given the right technique, is far easier, and far more effective. Have fun:) |
Originally Posted by ozzy
Try running for 8hrs with 50lbs on your back and we'll start talking about intensive workouts ;)
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Originally Posted by wwp8
1, which one actually burns more fat
doing cardio at around 60% of your mhr burns more calories from fat than carbs... whereas doing cardio at > 60% burns more calories from carbs than fat (i.e. glycogen stores get hit first). HOWEVER, there is not one study ever which shows that burning more calories from fat results in more body fat loss. if you burn 100 calories at 60% mhr, it's EXACTLY the same fat loss as burning 100 calories at 90% mhr. studies have proven this. so do whatever you feel most comfortable with. chances are you'll be wanting to burn 500 calories 3 times a week if you're smart with your dieting. in which case, do it the most efficient way for you... whether that's 20 mins of balls-to-the-wall stuff or 60 mins of moderate walking. 2, what is better press-ups 40 x the wide armed ones or 20 x the close hands one (where you put your two hands together thumbs and fingers in a triangle shape the close you go, the more your triceps work. both will work your pecs. tbh, doing 20 or 40 reps is pretty much pointless. wear a rucksack with enough weight in it so you get much fewer reps (or have someone sit on your back). or bench press and/or do dips, which are far superior exercises. |
Originally Posted by CEL
.... keel over and die around 30 :p
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I agree that there is no magical zone where burning fat is all you do, but there is a correlation with heart rate as this determines what energy stores are used for fuelling exercise. The simple fact is you can't exercise at 90% for that long & your body needs more recovery time than sessions at a lower intensity. It will get you fit and keep you much healthier though.
As Milo says, it's all about burning calories and diet. If you exercise at 70%, then a larger amount of calories will come from fat stores than at 90%. The problem is you have to exercise for much longer to burn the same amount of calories. So, a 30min 90% workout might mean a 90min 60% workout in order to achieve the same number of calories burned. So, as Milo pointed out you have to chose whatever works for you. Stefan |
i know lmao. Funny how i can shift 500lbs in under a year with next to no cardio............. and not be intensive. Oh with abs coming through :D
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i know lmao. Funny how i can shift 500lbs in under a year with next to no cardio............. and not be intensive. Oh with abs coming through |
In one year 3 core lifts increased from 528 to 1075lbs. Thats a pretty good increase! squats 400lbs, deadlifts 480lbs. bench is poooooooor
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yeah pretty good increase, you don't need cardio after all that
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thats a damn fine increase. westside will help your bench tremendously. lots of tricep work :D
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I know hence my point :) Although im in mountain biking :D 100miles a week at least.
yeah Milo i do like it. Did Good mornings 1st time last week. Felt really easy. Stopped at 110 because i assumed i was doing them wrong. But after reading i did them right. All the ham works paying off. Going to break the 500lbs dead goal in 3 weeks i hope. Tri works going well too, although i think i need alot more lat work |
Originally Posted by super_si
although i think i need alot more lat work
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2 - The 2 types of press-up excersise both the same main and different sub-muscles, best off doing both types :) |
Originally Posted by milo
tbh, doing 20 or 40 reps is pretty much pointless. wear a rucksack with enough weight in it so you get much fewer reps (or have someone sit on your back). or bench press and/or do dips, which are far superior exercises.
got one its called my belly my sister just joined a gym. cos she wants a flat stomach and went on a eliptical trainer (cos i bought 1, better than the treadmill, [my opinion] ) the trainer told her the best way in the shortest time is to start at 65 revs, for 1 min then 100 revs for 15 secs back to 65 revs for 1 min etc etc i used to go on it for 30 mins at about 50-60 revs HR about 60-70% what should i do? |
Personally I'd recommend:
5 mins aerobic excercise to gradualyl raise te heart rate followed by: Hill walk: 10 mins @ 70% MHR Cycle: 10 mins @ 70% MHR X-train: 10 mins @ 70% MHR chest press: 16rm lat pull-down: 16rm leg curl: 16rm ball squat: 25 basic crunch: 20 (x2) Oblique crunch: 20 (x2) Totl body strecthes for cool down. :confused:Like I know what you need :p |
Originally Posted by wwp8
my sister just joined a gym.
cos she wants a flat stomach and went on a eliptical trainer (cos i bought 1, better than the treadmill, [my opinion] ) the trainer told her the best way in the shortest time is to start at 65 revs, for 1 min then 100 revs for 15 secs back to 65 revs for 1 min etc etc i used to go on it for 30 mins at about 50-60 revs HR about 60-70% what should i do? * improve your physical fitness (not bodyfat but conditioning) so you can be like ozzy :D * lets you partially compensate for a poor diet by burning off calories (i.e. you take in maintenence calories but burn off 500 by cardio). cardio doesn't burn bodyfat. it never has done and never will do. it burns calories. and a calorific deficit burns bodyfat. a 500 calorie daily deficit is generally accepted as the most efficient way to burn bodyfat without taking too much muscle (it takes about 1lb of muscle for every 3lbs of fat). occasional carb-ups will reduce the muscle loss even further. the training you mentioned above that the trainer recommended is high intensity interval training (hiit). this is as good cardio as any for burning calories (they ALL do the same thing just in varying amounts of time), but if you don't like it, choose something else instead... because there's no "best way". |
Definatly the lats then Milo only really do lat pull downs. Tend to hit the triceps alot more on the assitance work. Ill through in side lats + the rows
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