Okay thanks for the replies.

When I bought the last set of tyres everyone was raving about the toyos. Not having any other experiences other than the p-zero's i bought them for traction in the wet. Something i found the p-zeros were poor at, although progressive nonetheless with understeer. When i got them fitted I straight away felt that they were not as good turn in in the dry. They felt like the car dipped far more into the corners. After running them in i think i got used to it and the handling in the wet was much better. I also found that the p-zeros (these are the old ones) lasted much longer than my current toyos. Since not following the recent threads i thought i would ask if things had moved on and general experiences had changed. Searching through the threads I see the F1's have some high exposure and also the new p-zero's. I guess I am after an alround tyre, excellent grip dry, excellent grip wet, hard side walls (without tramlining). If anyone makes them let me know ;)

I am particularly interested in the new p-zeros , nero etc. As recent threads seem promising. Are the F1's really as good as people make out to be?

Cheers

Paul.

[Edited by paulwadams_my99 - 9/5/2003 11:54:33 PM]

Hi,

been away from scoobynet and the likes for some time now but just got a puncture on my rear wheel. To be honest they all need replacing.

I went from Pirelli p-zero's to Toyo Proxies, but would like to know what the current favorite is and the sizes recomended on 17".

I found the toyo's better in the wet but the p-zeros had stronger side walls. I am tempted to go back to the originals.

Any advice appreciated on all experiences.

Cheers

Paul.

dunno m8tee
im running a mix at the mo:p
potenzas on back and pzeros on front
[tightwad]
havent had a chance to exploit em yet as im a newbie
but after castle combe ill be looking for some new rubber no doubt:p
oh yeah the rears seem to break out bfore the pzeroz
but i dont know if potenzas are any good or what?

You might get more worthwhile replies if you specify what you're after in a tyre. Lots of people here like F1s, but while they're good in the wet, that might not be your priority.

In the grand scheme of things F1's and Toyos are very similar - people come on here and big up their favourite but IMHO very similar compound, tread pattern, sidewall strength. Toyos are a lot easier to get cheap though. Compared to Potenzas, P-zeros etc both have soft side walls so no tramlining, easy to control on the limits, but feel a bit rolly on turn in. Also both excellent in heavy wet. Also both seem quite well balanced with respect to understeer / oversteer if you have a matched set. I would tend to run these on higher pressures than some tyres - in fact I sometimes thought my Toyos were flat until I checked the pressures because the sidewalls can hardly support the weight of the car - probably makes for a good contact patch though explaining the grip.

Ive just about scrubbed in my new 215/40/17 F1 GSD03's and cant fault them, loads more grip than i need, no tramlining, low road noise levels and cheap at £340 inclusive.

Would defo choose the same again.

just got 4 * F1 goodyear for £300 all in so i took it. too drunk to comment but seem very like toyo's in dry. need to see wet.