how hard would it be to do this ?? what would need to be done and what would be needed etc oh and aprox how much

ta mike

Shopping list:

Clio 172
extra Clio 172 engin and box
some bits of metal.

Method:

Cut out rear floor, replace with subframe fashioned from bits of metal, mount second engine, connect throttle linkages, invent some kind of gear change mechanism and clutch and you're done.

Let me know when you've finished.

Alternatively, buy a Clio V6 and a Clio 172, cut them both in half, swap ends and weld them up. You'd end up with a twin engined Clio and get a non-engined Clio free.

i have a 172 i have second engine and box the throttle is fly by wire so much easier

rev you sound like your trying to take the piss mate

TIME FOR EDUCATION !!!!!

YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FORUM !!!

istead try http:www.clioboys.com or something :)

this place has gone right down hill if thats the attitude you get here now

you dont know me so how can you start to take the piss out of what i drive ???

OK, I am taking the piss a little, but the basics are right.

Cut the floor out and build a subframe to replace the strength and provide somewhere to mount the engine. Engine location will be dictated by the gearbox and lining it up with the rear wheels. You'll need to devise a method of transferring the power to the wheels (my guess would be standard drive shafts into modified front hubs or something like that). Is the clutch hydraulic, if so, just add another master cylinder and run the pipes back and connect to the pedal. Gear change might be tricky, but if it's a able change, you could just reverse the original linkage and mate it to the existing lever.

This is a pretty hefty project, I'd bet you'd be looking at around £10,000 unless you're doing all the work yourself.

thank you mate your answer is apreciated i know this isnt a scooby but i posted here as i know there are some very smart people on here and i used to get good non piss taking answers

yours mike

i'm not taking the clio, i just thibk that there are probably other places that can help you with your querie :D

ie, not a Subaru BBS

you could try a Renault bbs maybe :rolleyes:

dont think you realise how many 172 owners there are on this site do ya ??
and since when have all the projects on here been scoobys ???

It is almost impossible mate, due to the structure of the car and rear supports etc..
Obviously nothing is 'impossible' if you have the right ammount of time and money.
Would be very impressive but not worth it IMHO, gear linkages Hmmm

Rob

Wooaah fellas! Calm down!

Mike, interesting thought, you been reading too many Wallis novels;)

Is the gearbox for the v6 the saem as that of the 172? if so why not use the v6 rear drivetrain and gearstick linkage?

Steven

steven :p

because then you would have different ratio's pff.

Coming on monday dogmaul?

David

Can I have a picture of the throttlebody.. thinking of changing to fly by wire for mine...

David

Just a though:p

Whats your advice then:p

my advice??

Cage the car to stand a chance of it staying in line.. buy a rear ended clio.. cut the car off by the bulkhead, then almost weld the chassis legs in place of the rear suspension turrets..

Gear linkage done via cable shift.. may require a couple, suggest looking at the vw.. possibly corrado..

ermm...

or speak to DJ Motorsport in nottingham

David

[Edited by David_Wallis - 5/30/2003 11:51:25 AM]

Hijack time:D:D and thick person q.
What is fly by wire and how does it work??

I have this very suspicious felling it is gonna be something simple and self explanitory:D:D

I should not switch my PC on whilst under the influence!!

Rob

just means that there is no throttle cable and its done electronically.. (ie a little stepper motor / servo or similar) opens the butterfly..

David

Has my Mk2 punto got this? As i can't find the soddin throttle cable.

possbily..

David

Had a Lexus IS200 with fly-by-wire throttle, never seemed that responsive, although that could be down to the Lexus' 30 year old engine design ;)

I would have though speaking to Ian Nixon at Europarts in Stoke would be a good plan.

Given he built and had lots of fun with his orange twin engined Renault 5 GT Turbo....

Basically as stated above - take the front subframe/suspension/everything (even the steering rack) and weld it in the back. Ian had to use a hydraulic clutch system, as it's a bit tricky with cables to get both clutches to operate togeteher. Gearchange was interesting too. First run down Santa Pod the front engine was in 1st whilst the rear was in 3rd. Oops.

He's sold it now...

Rich.

The BMW "valvetronic" engine (used in the latest 318i maybe others) takes drive-by-wire to a new level... there's no throttle at all!

It uses stepper motors to open every valve individually (no camshafts either obviously) and controls airflow by lift and duration of valve opening. Most substantial petrol engine development I've seen for a while. Apparently the torque/power and fuel ecomomy are noticably improved compared to a conventional petrol of the same size.

motor failure.. fuse blows.. valve bye bye..

Sounds cool for modding :D
David

who said its an interference engine david?

ah apollogies.. havent read that chapter.. :p

David