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Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 10:04 AM

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/...TIONAL\JUSTICE

Wurzel 18 September 2002 01:52 PM

so what's the punchline ? it would take to long to read the joke :D:D:D

jasonwrxowner 18 September 2002 01:54 PM

Chelle....I'll print it off and read it next time I can't sleep.

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 01:55 PM

Aye, it is a bit long winded. Interesting read though.

ChrisB 18 September 2002 02:09 PM

Any chance of an executive summary?

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 03:04 PM

Not at the moment, will post one later :)

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 03:21 PM

Is this shorter link about it any good for you?

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 03:23 PM

The new system of international justice, which came about with the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC), is under attack. The USA is trying to ensure that US nationals are exempt from ICC jurisdiction over genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.

The ICC will investigate and prosecute people accused of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The USA is attacking this new system of international justice by pressing states around the world to enter into impunity agreements not to surrender US nationals to the ICC. In many cases the US government is threatening to withdraw military assistance from countries that will not agree.

Such agreements are unlawful under international law. They threaten to undermine international efforts to stop criminals ever again planning and committing the worst crimes known to humanity.

MarkO 18 September 2002 03:33 PM

<yawn> And your point is?

Why are you getting so worked up about this, Chelle?

ChrisB 18 September 2002 03:45 PM

<Hands Mark large wooden spoon and retreats>

The Crushinator 18 September 2002 03:47 PM

The overall object and purpose of the Rome Statute is to ensure that those
responsible for the worst possible crimes are brought to justice in all
cases, primarily by states, but, under the underlying principle of
complementarity, if they prove unable or unwilling to do so, by the
International Criminal Court as a last resort.(8) Thus, any agreement not
expressly provided for in the Rome Statute that precludes the International
Criminal Court from exercising its complementary function of acting when
states are unable or unwilling to do so, defeats the object and purpose of
the Statute.

A key component of the object and purpose of the Statute is incorporation
in Article 27 of the fundamental principle that no one is immune for crimes
under international law such as genocide, crimes against humanity or war
crimes. Article 27 (1) provides that the Rome Statute "shall apply equally to
all persons without any distinction based on official capacity", and Article
27 (2) states that "immunities or special procedural rules which may
attach to the official capacity of a person, whether under national or
international law, shall not bar the Court from exercising its jurisdiction
over such a person".(9) That jurisdiction, apart from a referral of a situation
pursuant to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, extends under Article
12 of the Rome Statute to crimes committed by any person over the age of
18, regardless of nationality, in the territory of a state party or state making
a special declaration and to crimes committed by a national of one of
these states.(10)


MarkO 18 September 2002 03:49 PM

Yeah, and? ;)

The Crushinator 18 September 2002 03:53 PM

From what i've read, it means that the USA is blackmailing other states into signing an agreement which will let them commit war crimes no matter how big or small and not be tried for it.

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MarkO 18 September 2002 03:55 PM

Old news. They've been talking about doing that for months now. Can't see what the big deal is though really, as most US citizens wouldn't receive the same justice in most of the countries involved as their own people would.

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 06:38 PM

Who said I was getting worked up about it? :confused:

So far all I have done is post up info and not my opinion :rolleyes:

Little Miss WRX 18 September 2002 06:47 PM


From what i've read, it means that the USA is blackmailing other states into signing an agreement which will let them commit war crimes no matter how big or small and not be tried for it.
Aye and with a war so imminent too ;)


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