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Guidance on JDM V9 sti tuning from stock
Hello all,
After several years enjoying my 05 jdm sti (ej207 twinscroll) stock, i have finally decided i want more performace. Only realy after a few more ponies but keen not to ruin it with unbearable drone or take away from its beautifully wide power band and most imprtantly i want to ensure engine longevity/safety. Essentially i am thinking aftermarket (legal) exhaust, induction kit, fuel pump and a map and i would be grateful for advice on all of these (and any other musts for this type of modification). my initial thinling is hks cat downpipe, and either the hks super turbo muffler or hks silent hi power cat backs (keen to know performance and noise/drone qualities of both or better options) hks induction (same questions, as if anything i want more turbo noise than i do exhaust noise) RCM fuel pump (is it worth the money) and a Map (who's best ideally near midlands) Any help would be really apreciated! Thank you! |
I think firstly it's good to try and get the exhaust flowing better, this doesn't mean noise but ideally a system with sports cat could be beneficial and also it saves hassle at MOT time. I run an 05 Spec C WR, managed to find a resonated Miltek turbo back exhaust system with sports cat and I have to say it is quite reserved from a noise point of view at cruise but opens up into a lovely muted scream with a few revs but doesn't hassle the sound meter at the circuit! From memory around 91-92db at 5000rpm.
I'm also Midlands area but mine was mapped by Jamie at Evotune when imported, gives massive amount of low end grunt and a wide spread of torque ideal for the road (currently 360ft/lb and 335bhp) with drop in air filter and exhaust only. For location I would highly recommend speaking to TDR at Warwick for any mapping/servicing and tuning suggestions, they will be able to point you exactly where you need to go to achieve what you want if you need details. |
Stay away from hks products absolute ****e these days |
Originally Posted by Kev_STI
(Post 12043718)
I think firstly it's good to try and get the exhaust flowing better, this doesn't mean noise but ideally a system with sports cat could be beneficial and also it saves hassle at MOT time. I run an 05 Spec C WR, managed to find a resonated Miltek turbo back exhaust system with sports cat and I have to say it is quite reserved from a noise point of view at cruise but opens up into a lovely muted scream with a few revs but doesn't hassle the sound meter at the circuit! From memory around 91-92db at 5000rpm.
I'm also Midlands area but mine was mapped by Jamie at Evotune when imported, gives massive amount of low end grunt and a wide spread of torque ideal for the road (currently 360ft/lb and 335bhp) with drop in air filter and exhaust only. For location I would highly recommend speaking to TDR at Warwick for any mapping/servicing and tuning suggestions, they will be able to point you exactly where you need to go to achieve what you want if you need details. 335bhp and 360ft/lb would be plenty i am sure. So grateful for the advice. Thank you! |
Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
(Post 12043749)
Stay away from hks products absolute ****e these days Thabk you! |
Originally Posted by Sti.it.to.em
(Post 12043802)
thanks raggy doo - i am supprised to hear that though, so far i have only read good thibgs about hks systems. What makes you say that? Performace issues or quality or sound? Keen to hear the specifics if you have time.
Thabk you! and my hks fmic had the worst pipework I ever seen horrendous welds on pipes and leaks because of it qnd fittment was terrible |
Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
(Post 12043804)
the hks filters offer poor filtration I’m just literally having my own one swapped out for a k&n and my hks fmic had the worst pipework I ever seen horrendous welds on pipes and leaks because of it qnd fittment was terrible |
Originally Posted by Sti.it.to.em
(Post 12043800)
thanks kev_sti realy helpful. I have seen a miltek system in budget but its not got a cat. Infact i am strugeling to find many systems with a cat at all for the twinscroll. Was that miltek oe or has it been modified? I have a quote from an exhaust welder to put a sport cat in an off the shelf down pipe so thats an option. IJust keen to keep noise down and make the install as pai less as it can be (which obviously an off the shelf would help with). If you dont mind me asking, where did you get it? Also what induction kit did you run? Or was that literally with a change in filter? And no change to fuel pump or plugs?
335bhp and 360ft/lb would be plenty i am sure. So grateful for the advice. Thank you! Another system you could consider is a Fujitsubo, Torque GT import them from Japan, very nicely built and you can get quieter and loud systems as required. Also Haywood and Scott build a system for the twinscroll so there are options out there, you’ll find that the twinscroll is a bit quieter than a single scroll but I’d stick with a resonated system if you want to track it I reckon. The air filter is a drop in Cosworth filter, doesn’t change the noise but standard air box should be the best option unless you going massive power. Plugs are colder NGK iridium items gapped accordingly. Injectors and pump all standard. |
Originally Posted by Kev_STI
(Post 12043821)
No worries. Miltek produced an off the shelf system a while back but I think may be discontined now, i was lucky to find a 3” resonated Downpipe new but through another forum along with the rest of the matched catted system in used but excellent condition from eBay. Another system you could consider is a Fujitsubo, Torque GT import them from Japan, very nicely built and you can get quieter and loud systems as required. Also Haywood and Scott build a system for the twinscroll so there are options out there, you’ll find that the twinscroll is a bit quieter than a single scroll but I’d stick with a resonated system if you want to track it I reckon. The air filter is a drop in Cosworth filter, doesn’t change the noise but standard air box should be the best option unless you going massive power. Plugs are colder NGK iridium items gapped accordingly. Injectors and pump all standard. perhaps a stupid question but geometrically/routing i assume i can chop and change with down pipes and cat backs if that way inclined? Ie fit a milteck centre and rear sectuon with an hks downpipe or whatever? The hks complete system looked like a good call but raggydoo abobe seems to think hks aren't all that anymore. Ah ok. Is there any down sides othet than cost for changing induction kit (i know im not after megga power but the induction/turbo noise was the one additional bit of theatrics i was remotely looking forward to)? Am i just being a bit of a child? again apologies for all of the questions, i am realy grateful for the guidance from someone with the knowledge and a similar car to what i am after! Thank you! |
Milltek uses different flange locations compared to stock so in general doesn't interchange - can most likely assist if required
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Originally Posted by Sti.it.to.em
(Post 12043848)
yeah i cant find any miltek catted systems (yet) and the torque gt fujitsumo system doesn't have a cat or down pipe at all for that matter.
perhaps a stupid question but geometrically/routing i assume i can chop and change with down pipes and cat backs if that way inclined? Ie fit a milteck centre and rear sectuon with an hks downpipe or whatever? The hks complete system looked like a good call but raggydoo abobe seems to think hks aren't all that anymore. Ah ok. Is there any down sides othet than cost for changing induction kit (i know im not after megga power but the induction/turbo noise was the one additional bit of theatrics i was remotely looking forward to)? Am i just being a bit of a child? again apologies for all of the questions, i am realy grateful for the guidance from someone with the knowledge and a similar car to what i am after! Thank you! I have a HKS Kansai service built Evo and I can say the quality of the HKS parts on that is something else however a lot of the parts are specifically engineered by Kansai service so I can’t comment 100% on the latest HKS parts quality. The titanium exhaust however is a stunning piece of kit! regarding air filter that’s personal choice, if it’s just for noise then by all means fit an open filter, I’ve ran many in the past an never had an issue, fitted alongside your exhaust and with mapping it should be spot on. I like the HKS mushrooms (I know a lot of people hate them) as they give the most noise if that’s what you want! |
i just bought full 3"milltek with sports cat twinscroll downpipe, centre pipe and vortex bac box(vortex has 3" pipe wih flange welded in the middle) from mattyb
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Originally Posted by Kev_STI
(Post 12043850)
You maybe need to do a bit of homework if you want to chop and change parts especially with Milltek as I think they produce their parts with different fittings/lengths precisely for the reason so you can’t do that! A lot of the Jap exhausts can be interchangeable but it’s also quite common for someone like Fujitsubo to make single piece systems as well. Have a chat with Alyn at AS Performance, he may be able do source you a new Milltek, worth an enquiry. I have a HKS Kansai service built Evo and I can say the quality of the HKS parts on that is something else however a lot of the parts are specifically engineered by Kansai service so I can’t comment 100% on the latest HKS parts quality. The titanium exhaust however is a stunning piece of kit! regarding air filter that’s personal choice, if it’s just for noise then by all means fit an open filter, I’ve ran many in the past an never had an issue, fitted alongside your exhaust and with mapping it should be spot on. I like the HKS mushrooms (I know a lot of people hate them) as they give the most noise if that’s what you want! As for the induction i may as well indulge the inner child in me on the induction noise front if there is no down side. I was looking at the hks mushroom or the rcm induction. Bit of a cost difference but the RCM one looks a little higher build quality but hks looks like better packaged/integrated under the bonnet. Again some more research required perhaps. Either way, i really appreciate all the advice. Thank you. i will keep you posted on what i do and how it works out for me. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Farfocell
(Post 12043859)
i just bought full 3"milltek with sports cat twinscroll downpipe, centre pipe and vortex bac box(vortex has 3" pipe wih flange welded in the middle) from mattyb
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The mid pipe on my spec C hatch is HKS, but it's 2 1/2", not 3; I looked into getting an HKS sports cat to match it, but it appears they don't do 3".
Another twinscroll hatch had an mot advisory on his new Hayward and Scott full exhaust after 1 year, under 2500 miles. This was last year, so personally I would avoid H and S, although he had tracked it, so no warranty . |
Originally Posted by hedgecutter
(Post 12043917)
The mid pipe on my spec C hatch is HKS, but it's 2 1/2", not 3; I looked into getting an HKS sports cat to match it, but it appears they don't do 3".
Another twinscroll hatch had an mot advisory on his new Hayward and Scott full exhaust after 1 year, under 2500 miles. This was last year, so personally I would avoid H and S, although he had tracked it, so no warranty . I spoke with H&S and their cat is 100-cell so the car will need a good blast before it goes in for a test to get the cat hot. Ceramic coating it will help. I am on a similar boat and haven't decided what sports cat to use for my twin scroll hatchback. H&S are OK but they look like they have been put together by a child. |
Originally Posted by fpan
(Post 12043919)
Advisory on emissions or?
I spoke with H&S and their cat is 100-cell so the car will need a good blast before it goes in for a test to get the cat hot. Ceramic coating it will help. I am on a similar boat and haven't decided what sports cat to use for my twin scroll hatchback. H&S are OK but they look like they have been put together by a child. |
Originally Posted by hedgecutter
(Post 12043949)
No, not emissions, leaks from welds.
This is shocking to hear. If/when the time comes, I may purchase a HJS cat and find a place to custom make me an exhaust then. |
Originally Posted by fpan
(Post 12043919)
Advisory on emissions or?
I spoke with H&S and their cat is 100-cell so the car will need a good blast before it goes in for a test to get the cat hot. Ceramic coating it will help. I am on a similar boat and haven't decided what sports cat to use for my twin scroll hatchback. H&S are OK but they look like they have been put together by a child. |
Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 12043965)
I have an HKS Sport Cat fitted to my twinscroll JDM Spec B Legacy mated to twin Nur Spec (not R) rear tail pipes via the OE Y Pipe. The quality on the tail pipes and Sport Cat is light years ahead of the UK stuff, a work of art, particularly the welds and joints.
Also for what it's worth, the HKS is not an open bellmouth type, not sure what effect that has - if any, whereas the H&S is an open bellmouth if I am not mistaken. https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/48904 @ hedgecutter, would you be able to confirm with your friend if his cat is 5" diameter? |
Ok. Thanks all. I have made a decision on the exhaust. And indeed the fuel pump.
But now the engineer and the child that both live in my head are arguing about induction. To go short induction with a cone and risk hot air injestion to get the fun noise and theatrics that make the child happy or do the sensible thing and drop a higj flow panel in the oe induction amd keep it spunding sedate at the front but keep temps down. any thoughts on the matter? Or links to other threads? do air boxes or hot air sheilds do the job? Or does a good air box also just rob all the fun noises and theirfore negate the point? |
I only know that it was 100 cell, twinscroll hatch. If you look at the h and s site pictures of the relevant sports cat, you can see that the cat sticks out a couple of inches from the 3" pipe. Sound and twin pipes were spot on though
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I need a catted twin scroll downpipe as well. £660 for the H & S feels a bit expensive with all those ugly joints and welds that others manage to do in one piece instead. And they charge £78 to ship it to Sweden where others can ship a downpipe for about £40. So for £738 I would expect it to be of amazing quality and I'm not sure it is.
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Originally Posted by Turbovin
(Post 12044415)
I need a catted twin scroll downpipe as well. £660 for the H & S feels a bit expensive with all those ugly joints and welds that others manage to do in one piece instead. And they charge £78 to ship it to Sweden where others can ship a downpipe for about £40. So for £738 I would expect it to be of amazing quality and I'm not sure it is.
200 cell cost 100£ |
Yes but the decat RCM downpipe I have sits very very close to the gearbox as it is so welding a cat in place would propably mean that it almost would touch the gearbox. There's about 15mm between the 3" decat pipe and the gearbox right now. A normal 4" diameter cat adds 12.7mm to one side.
So the whole downpipe would have to be changed for more clearance in that case. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...85aaa9f04a.jpg one side to the pipe. |
Originally Posted by Farfocell
(Post 12044416)
weld cat
200 cell cost 100£ Have a look at HJS's website for real prices. |
I'm in a similar postion I have a jdm blob , I have the std cat but want to make more power but want it to be easy at mot time I was thinking using a normal decat and maybe have a 200 cell cat that I can v band it into the decat but it would have to be near the end of the down pipe would it be to far away from the turbo |
Just to add- yes milltek's centre section is shorter than standard and it pulled my racebox backwards enough that the rear hangar was hitting the subframe. You can get around this by making a spacer but you're best off just picking up a centre section from a different manufacturer that is interchangeable. I've seen plenty 2nd hand on ebay recently for £40ish.
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Originally Posted by fpan
(Post 12044442)
If it's a chinese $hit perhaps, unless I am mistaken.
Have a look at HJS's website for real prices. was thinking about Magnaflow 200 cell sportscat other idea was japspeed sportscat downpipe i had ,could cut it and weld to twinscroll downpipe finally i bought milltek twinscroll sportscat downpipe with resonated centre pipe :luxhello: |
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