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coolangatta 01 November 2018 07:18 PM

Leave campaign crooked
 
More and more so it seems. :nono:

The Trooper 1815 01 November 2018 09:30 PM

They both were dodgey.
Standard UK Politics.

alcazar 01 November 2018 10:04 PM

Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign?
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This is just getting childish

Martin2005 01 November 2018 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 12033124)
Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign?
​​​​​​
This is just getting childish

I think we're talking about legality here, not things you don't like.

Martin2005 01 November 2018 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815 (Post 12033118)
They both were dodgey.
Standard UK Politics.

They both distorted, that's undeniable, but that's not the issue here.

If people or organisation(from whatever side of the debate) have broken our electoral laws, they should be prosecuted. No ifs no buts.

ALi-B 02 November 2018 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 12033131)
I think we're talking about legality here, not things you don't like.


Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all?

If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign?

Martin2005 02 November 2018 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by ALi-B (Post 12033146)



Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all?

If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign?

We can throw out a government that abuses it's powers.

Here is that very leaflet - it makes for quite interesting reading

https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf

The Trooper 1815 02 November 2018 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 12033131)
I think we're talking about legality here, not things you don't like.


The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that.
Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks.
As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit".

Martin2005 02 November 2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815 (Post 12033170)

The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that.
Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks.
As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit".

Not sure that the issue is him donating money, I believe it's more about where that money was being funnelled from.

Anyway, I'm sure if he's done nothing wrong that will soon become clear


Martin2005 02 November 2018 01:45 PM

This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.

This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits

I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!

ALi-B 02 November 2018 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 12033174)
This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.

This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits

I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!


It was bad enough the first time. It would be pure pandemonium if a referendum were to be re-ran.

The hysteria on this is beyond silly, press, pundits and politicians alluding to the Russians influencing the electorate via social media and now claiming they bankrolled the campaigns. Is this press sensationalism, underhanded political meddling or a case of conspiracy and espionage. I’m past caring even if it is all true.

I’ll deal with whatever happens the same as in previous incidents, like the banking crashes, recessions and local mass deindustrialisation of the area I live.

r32 02 November 2018 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 12033124)
Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign?
​​​​​​
This is just getting childish

But what would you think if the Tory party used Government funds to leaflet every house just before a general election suggesting we all vote Conservative?
Would that be acceptable?

alcazar 02 November 2018 04:20 PM

Of course not. My point exactly.

stevebt 02 November 2018 08:56 PM

I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.

The Trooper 1815 02 November 2018 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by stevebt (Post 12033223)
I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.

Not really. You quoted a minority group - hardly representative.

dpb 03 November 2018 02:29 AM

Really ..!?

The Trooper 1815 03 November 2018 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by dpb (Post 12033233)
Really ..!?

Yes. Really.

ALi-B 03 November 2018 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815 (Post 12033236)
Yes. Really.

Indeed, most pub pundits around here blame the EU for the factory and industrial business closures as we as a country are not competitive with the likes of China etc. Most of the immigration round here was from non-EU countries. We somehow escaped the Polish invasions so this was secondary, although the non-EU economic migrants posing as asylum seekers is always a talking point, the only local impact is a cartel of Albanian hand car washes which is paltry in comparison.

If I challenged them stating these are UK issues not the the EU’s and that fault lies at the feet of Westminster politicians, many would agree. But they’d still vote leave. I suppose I could call them protest voters, but the ONS statistics on leave voter reasons beg to differ :wonder:




jasey 05 November 2018 01:19 PM

I Voted remain.

If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"

Assuming that is one of the options.

We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.

Mr Fuji 05 November 2018 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by jasey (Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.

If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"

Assuming that is one of the options.

We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.

What are they 'thieving', exactly?

jasey 05 November 2018 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12033585)
What are they 'thieving', exactly?

the net contribution to their ****ty club.

Mr Fuji 05 November 2018 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by jasey (Post 12033586)
the net contribution to their ****ty club.

If you voted remain in the referendum, and that contribution has not changed, then why is it now suddenly thieving? I assume you knew what our contributions were before voting?

BrownPantsRacing 05 November 2018 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by jasey (Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.

If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"

Assuming that is one of the options.

We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.

We're not leaving Europe. Only the EU.

dpb 05 November 2018 06:05 PM

Presumably this is to do with the extension

( that we asked for )

Martin2005 05 November 2018 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12033587)
If you voted remain in the referendum, and that contribution has not changed, then why is it now suddenly thieving? I assume you knew what our contributions were before voting?

I think you can be reasonably sure that the 'I voted remain' comment is as believable as a certain claim on the side of a bus 😀

mrtheedge2u2 06 November 2018 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by jasey (Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.

If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"

Assuming that is one of the options.

We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.

complete and utter sh1te

alcazar 06 November 2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 12033612)
I think you can be reasonably sure that the 'I voted remain' comment is as believable as a certain claim on the side of a bus 😀

More lies.
There was NO CLAIM, just a suggestion. And quite how yoyu lot have disappeared the money we DO give them, remains neyond me and many many others.

Just blind lies.

alcazar 06 November 2018 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2 (Post 12033616)
complete and utter sh1te

Yes, you are.

Martin2005 06 November 2018 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 12033629)
More lies.
There was NO CLAIM, just a suggestion. And quite how yoyu lot have disappeared the money we DO give them, remains neyond me and many many others.

Just blind lies.

If the 'suggestion' was accurate then fair enough.

Also if the 'suggestion' was punctuated with a question mark, then it would be clearer to all us gullible plebs that it was indeed a suggestion, fortunately we have you to interpret for us.

dpb 06 November 2018 10:23 AM

Disappeared money ??



must be bit like aaron banks cash !


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