Leave campaign crooked
More and more so it seems. :nono:
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They both were dodgey.
Standard UK Politics. |
Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign? This is just getting childish |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 12033124)
Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign? This is just getting childish |
Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 12033118)
They both were dodgey.
Standard UK Politics. If people or organisation(from whatever side of the debate) have broken our electoral laws, they should be prosecuted. No ifs no buts. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12033131)
I think we're talking about legality here, not things you don't like.
Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all? If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign? |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 12033146)
Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all? If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign? Here is that very leaflet - it makes for quite interesting reading https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12033131)
I think we're talking about legality here, not things you don't like.
The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that. Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks. As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit". |
Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 12033170)
The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that. Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks. As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit". Anyway, I'm sure if he's done nothing wrong that will soon become clear |
This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote! |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12033174)
This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote! It was bad enough the first time. It would be pure pandemonium if a referendum were to be re-ran. The hysteria on this is beyond silly, press, pundits and politicians alluding to the Russians influencing the electorate via social media and now claiming they bankrolled the campaigns. Is this press sensationalism, underhanded political meddling or a case of conspiracy and espionage. I’m past caring even if it is all true. I’ll deal with whatever happens the same as in previous incidents, like the banking crashes, recessions and local mass deindustrialisation of the area I live. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 12033124)
Billy bull shine.
What of the NINE MILLION spent leafleting EVERY HOME by the remain campaign? This is just getting childish Would that be acceptable? |
Of course not. My point exactly.
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I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.
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Originally Posted by stevebt
(Post 12033223)
I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.
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Really ..!? |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 12033233)
Really ..!? |
Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 12033236)
Yes. Really.
If I challenged them stating these are UK issues not the the EU’s and that fault lies at the feet of Westminster politicians, many would agree. But they’d still vote leave. I suppose I could call them protest voters, but the ONS statistics on leave voter reasons beg to differ :wonder: |
I Voted remain.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !" Assuming that is one of the options. We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP. |
Originally Posted by jasey
(Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !" Assuming that is one of the options. We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP. |
Originally Posted by Mr Fuji
(Post 12033585)
What are they 'thieving', exactly?
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Originally Posted by jasey
(Post 12033586)
the net contribution to their ****ty club.
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Originally Posted by jasey
(Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !" Assuming that is one of the options. We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP. |
Presumably this is to do with the extension
( that we asked for ) |
Originally Posted by Mr Fuji
(Post 12033587)
If you voted remain in the referendum, and that contribution has not changed, then why is it now suddenly thieving? I assume you knew what our contributions were before voting?
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Originally Posted by jasey
(Post 12033553)
I Voted remain.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing arse - We're OUT - NO DEAL !" Assuming that is one of the options. We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12033612)
I think you can be reasonably sure that the 'I voted remain' comment is as believable as a certain claim on the side of a bus 😀
There was NO CLAIM, just a suggestion. And quite how yoyu lot have disappeared the money we DO give them, remains neyond me and many many others. Just blind lies. |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12033616)
complete and utter sh1te
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 12033629)
More lies.
There was NO CLAIM, just a suggestion. And quite how yoyu lot have disappeared the money we DO give them, remains neyond me and many many others. Just blind lies. Also if the 'suggestion' was punctuated with a question mark, then it would be clearer to all us gullible plebs that it was indeed a suggestion, fortunately we have you to interpret for us. |
Disappeared money ??
must be bit like aaron banks cash ! |
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