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Originally Posted by Mr Fuji
(Post 12017997)
I don't see your logic here. Why does owning a home abroad and flying on cheap airlines not equate? Why pay several hundred pounds to to fly to somewhere nearby in Europe when you can do it for peanuts? This is simply good sense. I have been on numerous EasyJet and Ryanair flights where some of the people boarding have been obviously very well heeled!
I admit if I was loaded and flying more than about 3 hours I would pay, but for Spain and France, you're joking! |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12018033)
I am not saying not to fly on low-cost airlines (hell even I have been known to fly on sleazy jet), I am saying if you buy a very, very expensive purchase, like a house, and the only way you can do this is if the low-cost airlines never raise their prices then maybe buying a very, very expensive purchase, like a house, is not the way forward.
If you buy a second property abroad, you have to consider the costs of travelling to that property. If you can't afford the full fares of normal airlines, then you probably can't really afford to invest in a second property abroad. Sadly, the modern consumer driven society means that people rarely consider the full costs of their purchases before buying. Even with first homes, how many people don't think about the stamp duty and solicitors costs let alone the cost of furnishings or the risk of interest rate rises? |
^^BMWhere, come on man, you know common sense is not want folks want to hear.
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12018041)
^^BMWhere, come on man, you know common sense is not want folks want to hear.
Isn't it a prerequisite of being on Scoobynet that you leave your common sense at the door, aswell as spelling, grammar and punctuation. :D |
Originally Posted by Wurzel
(Post 12018042)
Isn't it a prerequisite of being on Scoobynet that you leave your common sense at the door, aswell as spelling, grammar and punctuation. :D
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12018039)
Its the same mentality as people who buy performance cars and then fit cheap remould tyres because they can't really afford the running costs involved.
If you buy a second property abroad, you have to consider the costs of travelling to that property. If you can't afford the full fares of normal airlines, then you probably can't really afford to invest in a second property abroad. Sadly, the modern consumer driven society means that people rarely consider the full costs of their purchases before buying. Even with first homes, how many people don't think about the stamp duty and solicitors costs let alone the cost of furnishings or the risk of interest rate rises? A cheap flight is just a way of enabling enjoyment in that better quality of life - difference being that a cheap flight is less likely to cause you to die than budget tires on a performance car are :thumb: Nothing wrong with saving a few pennies on a cheap flight if it is short, no matter how much money you have. |
Originally Posted by Torquemada
(Post 12018090)
Or, the key here could be that having a property abroad could be seen as something that vastly improves the quality of someones life (especially when retired or ill) and so some compromises are worth making, like cheaper travel.
A cheap flight is just a way of enabling enjoyment in that better quality of life - difference being that a cheap flight is less likely to cause you to die than budget tires on a performance car are :thumb: Nothing wrong with saving a few pennies on a cheap flight if it is short, no matter how much money you have. |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12018096)
we are not talking about saving pennies. Alcnutzar is saying he has trillions of people that he knows that can only afford their second house due to low-cost flights. My argument is that if that is the case you probably really cannot afford that 2nd house.
I get what you are saying, I was just giving my alternative to "you must be able to afford better flights if you are able to afford a 2nd home" which perhaps you were not exactly saying! :thumb: |
There ain't no Ryan 'ere.
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12018039)
Its the same mentality as people who buy performance cars and then fit cheap remould tyres because they can't really afford the running costs involved.
If you buy a second property abroad, you have to consider the costs of travelling to that property. If you can't afford the full fares of normal airlines, then you probably can't really afford to invest in a second property abroad. Sadly, the modern consumer driven society means that people rarely consider the full costs of their purchases before buying. Even with first homes, how many people don't think about the stamp duty and solicitors costs let alone the cost of furnishings or the risk of interest rate rises? you should probably compare an M&S ready meal to a Tesco value one. You don’t really enjoy it but you have to eat and you’re trying to save money. |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12018096)
we are not talking about saving pennies. Alcnutzar is saying he has trillions of people that he knows that can only afford their second house due to low-cost flights. My argument is that if that is the case you probably really cannot afford that 2nd house.
I suppose like any property though, it increases in value whilst your payments decrease, so it is an investment that may be worth the risk of that margin? |
People invest ON the basis of new low cost airline routes i think
What might happen if that route was withdrawn... |
Originally Posted by RobsyUK
(Post 12018111)
cheap tyres is nothing like a cheap flight. Tyres are saftey a flight is a flight. you should probably compare an M&S ready meal to a Tesco value one. You don’t really enjoy it but you have to eat and you’re trying to save money. With a car, you have tax, insurance, tyres, maintenance costs etc. If you can't afford the running costs, you can't afford the car! The same with a house, you also have taxes, maintenance costs, services, insurance and if its a second home in a foreign country, flights to get there! Sure, if there are cheap flights available, take them, but don't depend on them because budget airlines are notoriously unreliable! |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 12018124)
What might happen if that route was withdrawn... |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 12018129)
I imagine Alcazar would be on here screaming about how outrageous it is that an airline can put economics first.
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Luckily 99% of my flights head southwards from Schiphol so closing the UK airspace would not really impact me. :)
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12018128)
With a car, you have tax, insurance, tyres, maintenance costs etc. If you can't afford the running costs, you can't afford the car!
It is the same with kids but that doesn't stop people having them and expecting everyone else to pay for them. Child support, tax credit, family allowance, child care etc. etc. etc. |
Originally Posted by Wurzel
(Post 12018140)
It is the same with kids but that doesn't stop people having them and expecting everyone else to pay for them.
Child support, tax credit, family allowance, child care etc. etc. etc. |
Update:
Opened a dispute via the CAA, (it's actually called ADR that does disputes), but they have ducked it. Apparently it's not on their list of things they can arbitrate over:rolleyes: Have written to Ryanair. If they ignore me or refuse me, look for me in The Sun........... Spending £200-£250 pm on fuel and parking to go see my wife, I could do with this money back. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 12019429)
Spending £200-£250 pm on fuel and parking to go see my wife, I could do with this money back.
I'm surprised the Leafy Andy97 hasn't commented on how much you could save if you had a ****ty EV! Hope your wife is on the road to recovery bud :thumb: |
Not looking good.
Fingers crossed but we seem to be looking at her being in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, with the incotinence etc that goes with a spinal injury. Awful. |
That does suck....in seriousness how will it affect you both being able to spend time in France?
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Since the house is NOT wheelchair friendly, and would cost many thousands to make it so, I'd reckon the French dream is over.
I'll not be saying so to her, yet... |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 12019758)
Not looking good.
Fingers crossed but we seem to be looking at her being in a wheelchair for the rest of her life, with the incotinence etc that goes with a spinal injury. Awful. |
Update.
So...first email with her sicknote resulted in a refusal. Second email with sicknote and consultant's letter, ignored. Written letter to head office with first and now second sicknotes, plus copy of consulatnt's letter, ignored. CAA/ADR ducked it. Sun newspaper "People's Champion" Mel Hunter contacts them on my behalf, and lo and behold, they have looked again and now refunded her! Their excuse was that I didn't send the right paperwork....... |
Sheesh.
Still, at least you got a result (despite the lengths you had to go to). |
Aye, shouldn't have to but it was one of their more expensive fares so we needed it back.
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...and on flights booked with Ryanair from November, there will no longer be a free cabin bag unless it fits under the seat, They are going to charge a tenner per flight for a standard cabin bag.
Even though I hate Ryanair, they are the only airline that flies to my destination from my local airport. This latest policy change will cost me an extra £300 per year. |
Can't you leave a bag at your destination?
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Originally Posted by scunnered
(Post 12024045)
...and on flights booked with Ryanair from November, there will no longer be a free cabin bag unless it fits under the seat, They are going to charge a tenner per flight for a standard cabin bag.
Even though I hate Ryanair, they are the only airline that flies to my destination from my local airport. This latest policy change will cost me an extra £300 per year. It's usually the same ones that also spend far far to much time faffing about when boarding and disembarking..., why can't they just shove up the bag and sit the F**k down? All the f**king time you see them, ticket in hand for row 50 something and they board at the from front and start looking at the numbers as if it's nearby and counting waddling at 1mph in doing so...its at the f**king back so 50 is after 49 not after 2, so get a f**king move on! Then there's the rucksacks on the backs of millennials and metrosexuals/hipsters that tw4t seated passengers in the face when they turn around and then p*ss around in the aisle whilst rummaging in said rucksack (twatting another seated passenger whilst they take it off their back) for their iPad and wireless Beats headphones before realising they were already round their neck, meanwhile nobody else can get past or sit down! :mad: Sorry, bit of air rage going on here, but why is it with buses and trains , people just get on and get off with little or no fuss, but with a plane they p*ss about delaying the boarding and ultimately delaying the flight? Too many times I been on a plane that's missed its slot because people are just faffing about when boarding...what does a missed slot and delayed flight cost an airline these days? I suppose even without carry on luggage they will still faff about. Maybe they should charge for two seats for lard arses whose side flab overhangs the armrests...hardly fair on the poor unfortunate that's in the next seat. |
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