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edsel 20 March 2018 07:04 PM

Alcatek vs Esl
 
Currently running my v2 on esl and im feeling the need for AL and Launch after a few 1/4 mile session last year.
After waiting four years for the esl motor sports option I've given up.
Other than the motor sport options is the alcatek as good as the esl? Any differences in mapping costs?

cheers

Steve

Pross 20 March 2018 07:59 PM

Had an alcatek on my wrx, the live map changing is great for overtakes :)

ossett2k2 20 March 2018 09:34 PM

Live mapping on esl :)
Motorsport pack works really well on the v3/4,really surprised it's not out for v1/2 after all this time,I know the v5/6 esl was in testing but that's old news,the v1/2 motorsport was supposed to follow?
I'm thinking of going avcs and I'm pretty sure esl doesn't support this,Maybe in the future?alcatek does.
I've heard it's hard to contact Andy leech and am unsure if the self mapping kit is readily available?

Edit:just re-read is that live map switching @Pross,as in changing the full map on the fly? Is this done on a switch?

hamzi95 20 March 2018 09:43 PM

if i had 500 quid to spend on an ecu id be going towards LINK ecu or something more mainstream.

ESL and alcatek are only as good as there founders and well, do some googling and you will see.

i got my ESL ecu, cable and software for £250. id never pay full price for it.

there no guarantee that they wont pull the plug once they feel its not profitable anymore.

TBH, cant really fault ESL personally other than a few glitches in software and zero support from the facebook page as i dont have an invoice.

pretty sure alcatek does avcs. try simtek, i hear good things about simtek.

Pross 21 March 2018 12:08 AM


as in changing the full map on the fly? Is this done on a switch?
Yep.

The Rig 21 March 2018 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by hamzi95 (Post 12001245)
TBH, cant really fault ESL personally other than a few glitches in software and zero support from the facebook page as i dont have an invoice.

Even if you do have an invoice the support from Andy at ESL is pretty poor lately. (well, the last 2 years) now he does courses he doesnt give anything away for support even tho we paid good money at the time before he did courses for full support.

john_666 21 March 2018 11:37 AM

You cant get alcatek at the minute and they are offering zero technical support as they are having some sort of problem. I have an engine being built and tried to buy one from bob rawle, i have to go for link g4+

Tidgy 21 March 2018 02:36 PM

Link or syvecs if your flush and want the best.

edsel 21 March 2018 11:16 PM

Thanks gents that's just the kind of feed back I was looking for. No wonder alcatek units are coming up for sale regularly. There's not many options available for early imprezas it seems. I wouldn't have bought the ESL in the first place if I knew the forthcoming motor sport pack was just talk.

Rick2017 23 March 2018 02:11 PM

Would I be able to add pops and bangs if I got the software. I'm interested in learning and data logging

hamzi95 23 March 2018 02:40 PM

Ive tried many times to get pops and bangs on esl without motorsport but nothing substantial or predictable imo.

So my answer would be no.

The Rig 23 March 2018 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by hamzi95 (Post 12001739)
Ive tried many times to get pops and bangs on esl without motorsport but nothing substantial or predictable imo.

So my answer would be no.

Same here

ossett2k2 23 March 2018 06:49 PM

'Pops and bangs' were mapped onto mine,drove like crap,strange thing is the mapper l also fitted als switch so his poor attempt at pops and farts were a waste of time.
Not sure if I posted the tables up for people to have a laugh at :wonder:

edsel 24 March 2018 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by ossett2k2 (Post 12001785)
'Pops and bangs' were mapped onto mine,drove like crap,strange thing is the mapper l also fitted als switch so his poor attempt at pops and farts were a waste of time.
Not sure if I posted the tables up for people to have a laugh at :wonder:

thank you for your advice and experiences, I can tell by your esl related posts that you are clearly the expert on esl. Would you be able to map my car?

Thanks

Rick2017 24 March 2018 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by ossett2k2 (Post 12001785)
'Pops and bangs' were mapped onto mine,drove like crap,strange thing is the mapper l also fitted als switch so his poor attempt at pops and farts were a waste of time.
Not sure if I posted the tables up for people to have a laugh at :wonder:

can the ecu be mapped or is it more data logging

ossett2k2 24 March 2018 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by edsel (Post 12001912)


thank you for your advice and experiences, I can tell by your esl related posts that you are clearly the expert on esl. Would you be able to map my car?


Thanks

Haha :lol1:
Far from an expert mate.
I'm no pro and will only map my own cars.
Plenty of good reading on the forum and the esl user manual tho to diy.
Andy also does a mapping course occasionally,I might get on the next one in May I think?


Originally Posted by Rick2017 (Post 12001921)
can the ecu be mapped or is it more data logging

Yes can be mapped with esl.

Rick2017 24 March 2018 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by ossett2k2 (Post 12001925)
Haha :lol1:
Far from an expert mate.
I'm no pro and will only map my own cars.
Plenty of good reading on the forum and the esl user manual tho to diy.
Andy also does a mapping course occasionally,I might get on the next one in May I think?



Yes can be mapped with esl.

is yours a classic?Are you running mafless setup

ossett2k2 24 March 2018 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Rick2017 (Post 12001960)
is yours a classic?Are you running mafless setup

Yes

Rick2017 24 March 2018 04:35 PM

Was it hard to do

ossett2k2 24 March 2018 05:35 PM

Not really,just takes time,loads of logging and small changes at a time.
Be loads easier/quicker on a dyno but road mapping is fun on a decent quiet and safe stretch of road :thumb:

ossett2k2 24 March 2018 05:45 PM

I would suggest reading the esl manual a few times if that's the route you are taking.
Also some really helpful members on here who I've had great advice from, bludgod,the rig,Ben Harris,piehole and others :)

Rick2017 24 March 2018 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by ossett2k2 (Post 12001974)
I would suggest reading the esl manual a few times if that's the route you are taking.
Also some really helpful members on here who I've had great advice from, bludgod,the rig,Ben Harris,piehole and others :)

seems definitely worth it. I will see what code my ecu is during the week. Can you switch off the imobiliser through the software.

ossett2k2 24 March 2018 08:45 PM

Not sure about immobiliser,mines jdm so no oem one on there.


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