Any VAG experts??
I recently bought a 2007 2.0 A3 tdi from my brother as a run around with the added non bonus of a PO234 over boost fault when speed exceeds 60+mph. Now the overboost fault isn't my query it's something else but I thought I'd lay that down first.
When I first drove the car I thought it felt flat, having owned an A3 2.0 TDI previous, it didn't appear to feel as quick so I put it down to the turbo, or it's need for a new one. Whilst searching online for the PO234 fault I came across a YouTube video where by some guy was showing movement of the turbo actuator arm if the vac hose was removed from the vacuum reservoir.....In doing so, I snapped the nipple of the reservoir pulling a little hard! After that I shut the bonnet and hadn't driven it since. Yesterday I needed to use the car and on doing so I noticed how much more responsive it was, it actually felt like my old one so today I blocked the vac hose with a bolt to see how it performed, it felt flat again so removed it, the difference is night and day. My first thought was that it was creating more boost so hooked up the Torque app and an OBD adaptor to measure the boost, it was making roughly 22psi with the bolt in or out but boost comes it much quicker with the vac hose venting.....I've looked online trying to find an answer but haven't really found it.....So can anyone tell me what the vacuum reservoir actually does and why it would make the car perform so much better without it inline. |
over boost can be soot build up on the vanes of the turbo, causing them to stick,
a few products will clean them. |
Yeah I know but overboost isn't my issue....It's that when the vac hose is removed from the vacuum reservoir (black ball) the car has more punch and doesn't feel flat like it does when connected.
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Which engine?
2007 is the cross-over between common rail and PD. PDs have a bunch of vacuum pipe for EGR and turbo with a box of voodoo on the bulkhead and accumulator sphere on the engine. It's a 10yr old car so plenty of brittle Bakelite-like plastic bits to break (been there :o ). With a leak in this system I'll probably assume that the EGR will stay closed (good!) and VNT on the turbo will be in its low speed position (better boost at low rpm, but limited top-end). Lack of oomph is probably as mentioned..the VNT turbo or the actuator/N75 valve (built in to the voodoo box; used to be separate ). They are fickle, if the vanes/nozzles are not in the exact position the turbo doesn't behave. Usually they will take forever to build boost and then overboost once spooled, in the other positions it'll build boost quick but under boost overall and generally feel flat at higher rpms. If it's the common rail engine, the early ones used to suffer leaking turbo actuators, this resulted in crap performance , but IIRC these had a sensor on the actuator so if this went faulty you'd get a charge/pressure deviation fault code. So based on that I'm guessing you have. 16valve PD, probably a 140ps BKD. |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11977843)
Which engine?
2007 is the cross-over between common rail and PD. PDs have a bunch of vacuum pipe for EGR and turbo with a box of voodoo on the bulkhead and accumulator sphere on the engine. It's a 10yr old car so plenty of brittle Bakelite-like plastic bits to break (been there :o ). With a leak in this system I'll probably assume that the EGR will stay closed (good!) and VNT on the turbo will be in its low speed position (better boost at low rpm, but limited top-end). Lack of oomph is probably as mentioned..the VNT turbo or the actuator/N75 valve (built in to the voodoo box; used to be separate ). They are fickle, if the vanes/nozzles are not in the exact position the turbo doesn't behave. Usually they will take forever to build boost and then overboost once spooled, in the other positions it'll build boost quick but under boost overall and generally feel flat at higher rpms. If it's the common rail engine, the early ones used to suffer leaking turbo actuators, this resulted in crap performance , but IIRC these had a sensor on the actuator so if this went faulty you'd get a charge/pressure deviation fault code. So based on that I'm guessing you have. 16valve PD, probably a 140ps BKD. My post was more to do with the performance of the car with the vac hose disconnected from the vac res. It seemed strange that the car performed like you would expect it too disconnected. I plan to remove the turbo and either try and clean/free the vnt or replace for new, also remove the EGR and EGR cooler in the process... |
You can clean them in situ with good results,
Ive used Innotec in the past, I did make a decent seal for the zorst, they supply a flimsy thing. |
Man i had one of these BKD140's and it was nothing but trouble. Constant error codes and guzzled coolant even after a full EGR + cooler delete. My first overboost code i took to a professional and was diagnosed as EGR fault aka the bulkhead vacuum block - even after innotec cleaning the turbo it still overboosted randomly (ie 70mph cruising) yet pulled hard all the time. I had my own Vagcom so just kept topping the coolant up and clearing error codes until someone bought it off me cheap. Worst car iv ever had
Guy i worked with also had one, but an audi like yours..took it for a cambelt and one of the tensioner bolts snapped in the block - apparently common fault...cambelt turned into engine out jobby to fix it and cost about 6 times as much! Moved to an E46 330d since then, wouldnt look back at 4pot VAG's now after having a straight 6 BMW. Maybe a good mapper can diag it for you when you get the ECL mapped out after blanking the EGR? Id get shut personally lol |
Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
(Post 11977877)
You can clean them in situ with good results,
Ive used Innotec in the past, I did make a decent seal for the zorst, they supply a flimsy thing.
Originally Posted by wrighty338
(Post 11977889)
Man i had one of these BKD140's and it was nothing but trouble. Constant error codes and guzzled coolant even after a full EGR + cooler delete. My first overboost code i took to a professional and was diagnosed as EGR fault aka the bulkhead vacuum block - even after innotec cleaning the turbo it still overboosted randomly (ie 70mph cruising) yet pulled hard all the time. I had my own Vagcom so just kept topping the coolant up and clearing error codes until someone bought it off me cheap. Worst car iv ever had
Guy i worked with also had one, but an audi like yours..took it for a cambelt and one of the tensioner bolts snapped in the block - apparently common fault...cambelt turned into engine out jobby to fix it and cost about 6 times as much! Moved to an E46 330d since then, wouldnt look back at 4pot VAG's now after having a straight 6 BMW. Maybe a good mapper can diag it for you when you get the ECL mapped out after blanking the EGR? Id get shut personally lol |
No turbo intake pipe removed for the vanes fella, its the zorst side,
may explain why others have failed lol |
Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
(Post 11977968)
No turbo intake pipe removed for the vanes fella, its the zorst side,
may explain why others have failed lol Removing the V-band and pulling the cat out of the way, it still has mixed reviews... |
Originally Posted by jayallen
(Post 11977971)
Yeah sorry my mistake, its early.!
Removing the V-band and pulling the cat out of the way, it still has mixed reviews... This is why I tell you to make a better one, I used a but of old ply, it stops the cleaning fluid from leaking out, thus staying in the right place cleaning as designed, doing what it should . . . :thumb: |
You basically need to fill the exhaust side with cleaner and hold it in there while you work the vnt system manually so it gets a good clean. The card template they supply isnt great and also mr muscle oven cleaner works just as well! Dont forget to clean it out afterwards though, think i just used brake cleaner then started it up for a few seconds with the downpipe still off
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I am but not that kind .
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Originally Posted by sssssteeeee
(Post 11987142)
I am but not that kind .
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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
(Post 11987161)
???
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 11987226)
He is implying that he is a vagician
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I don't know who those guys are but I am sure you are correct:D
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