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Originally Posted by Rusti
(Post 11968644)
You will have to excuse my ignorance as came from the Honda world that has places like TDI which offer that type of service.
TDIs dyno results though ...:lol1: |
Originally Posted by byrnsie44
(Post 11968650)
TDIs dyno results though ...:lol1:
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Originally Posted by the shreksta
(Post 11968657)
???
a little generous. |
Only ever used Richard Cope at FB tuning for mapping. Wouldn't use anyone else now. An absolute genius and takes the time to try and explain stuff properly to idiots such as myself :lol1:
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Dung doesn't road test after dyno maps, that should tell you all you need to know.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
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Dung doesn't road test after dyno maps, that should tell you all you need to know.
what did he do to your car? |
I’ve only ever used Pat @ clinic top mapper by far the most knowledgable guy I’ve met ....
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11968669)
Dung doesn't road test after dyno maps, that should tell you all you need to know.
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Originally Posted by rickybobby
(Post 11968645)
You wont find many.........I looked.
After an extensive search I think Clinic, Zen, TDR, Enginetuner and slowboy were the ones I found that could do the work AND map it in house but I then heard various nightmares from 3 out of those 5, and after my experience last year I wont be returning to Clinic thats for sure. Richard Henry now get any work I can't do myself but I'm unsure if I'll use Andy Carr for mapping when the time comes. |
Duncan is a great guy, I consider him a friend. He's very busy generally so sometimes takes time to respond to messages but my experience is he'll always reply. He gets inundated with messages at all times of the day with people asking silly questions etc.
He popped over to me on Tuesday afternoon of this week to put a running in map on my Closed Deck 2.5 running an Alcatek ecu and he's done a very nice job! |
Originally Posted by ScottyPPP
(Post 11968689)
Duncan is a great guy, I consider him a friend. He's very busy generally so sometimes takes time to respond to messages but my experience is he'll always reply. He gets inundated with messages at all times of the day with people asking silly questions etc.
He popped over to me on Tuesday afternoon of this week to put a running in map on my Closed Deck 2.5 running an Alcatek ecu and he's done a very nice job! |
I was pro Duncan for years and his map was brilliant on my car, road mapped, dyno tweeked and then road checked again. Had no issues at all. Used to reply to my messages too. Right up to the point I had an issue with the car and I got no response at all to any of my messages.
As soon as I told him I bought a new car that needed mapping he was all over my messages again. It's a shame really. I have to agree though, I wouldn't be happy if he'd only dyno tuned and not road checked. I also don't agree with the cram as many people in as he can way of working. That said, I believe a lot of the mappers are difficult to contact. Andrew Carr now does my mapping and it took 3 months to re-book him to fix the fault with his map. I was not pleased at all. You can read about this in my Foz project thread. BUT credit where it's due he fixed it and I've had it mapped yet again by him (3 times now) and couldn't be happier. What a difference a little bit of customer service makes. Everyone makes mistakes, mappers included. It's how you deal with those mistakes that counts. |
Originally Posted by edsel
(Post 11968560)
There lies the problem with the internet "but based on what I've heard and read on here... in no particular order" people without first hand experience become experts by what they've read on the internet. Problem with the internet is that its easy to vent to a huge audience, character assains roam free.
Right; in Duncans defence.... I have had excellent service and results, no issues at all. I gave him a fresh professional built engine and I was aware of its limitations and discussed this with him. The result has been a reliable fast car that has been driven hard on track and strip for four years. I was completely honest with him with the spec and he didnt push it beyond its limits. This was on a fresh built engine built by arguably but without doubt one of the best builders in the country. It wasnt a 20 year old unknown unit or built from used parts on my garage floor. When the customer "exagerates" the spec and lets face it no one says the mapper "its an unknown engine" or "I built it on the driveway with a halfords tool set and mole grips" and if they get their info from scooby net, any JDM spec blah blah can make handle 400 bhp then why cant their breakers yard mongrel engine do the same and be honest,who tells the mapper my engine is a standard spec 150k mile dog that uses a litre of oil a week? So out of all you guys that are running dynamix down, how many of you had a recently built hand on heart 100% no faults engine mapped by him? And whilst we're destroying peoples businesses... I went to An Other mapper mentioned in this post after the last batch of mods. He connected his laptop charger onto my battery and nearly set my car on fire. He then proceeded to drive the car around for four hours with his lap top on the passenger seat while it ran like a dog. I told him after the first hour there was something seriously wrong and it wasnt going to fix itself but hey ho what do I know? Took it to Duncan he spotted a wiring fault in the MAP sensor straight away and fixed it in seconds, he also spotted the unmatched injectors straight away and cancelled the session. The other mapper was slow to spot these faults and this is a mapper that cant do no wrong on scoobynet. A bit of advice, just cos your car makes the same power as a super car it doesnt mean you can drive it like one all the time, supercars are designed and built to do it from the factory. Your modified car is um modified it might make 350 for 5 mins or a lifetime depending how you treat it. My experience is 1st hand (as you can see from the link i put up ) , my issues were nothing to do with the quality/strength of the internals of my engine. |
Yup, its almost identical to this one.
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He has been in touch and apologised for the delay in replying, he can remap my car in a couple of weeks.... but after all these comments I don't know what to do?
do use him or go elsewhere...? |
Ahh..... a good old Scoobynet witch hunt!
I've never used Duncan myself, but I know a lot of people who have, and I've heard very good things. Poor mappers don't stay around for long, and Duncan has been mapping for a long time, so that probably says a lot. There will always be people who aren't happy with results, or especially customer service. They will also tend to tell anyone who'll listen..... and unfortunately the customers who are happy don't always tend to be so vocal. I am not saying it's right.... but you have to appreciate a good mapper will spend most of the day..... well..... mapping. Hence it'll often be hard to get hold of them. Most are one person companies, or part of a very small team who are working on cars all day. They won't have a receptionist to take their calls or messages. Therefore it can be very hard to get in contact. It's very unfair to pick out Duncan in particular, many of the very best mappers are hard to get hold of..... even those with God like status. Also, there will always be "but a mate of a mate had a bad experience", but that can be said of almost any tuner. I've certainly heard negative stories about most companies on here, although I take them with a pinch of salt. |
Originally Posted by Moley
(Post 11968780)
Ahh..... a good old Scoobynet witch hunt!
I've never used Duncan myself, but I know a lot of people who have, and I've heard very good things. Poor mappers don't stay around for long, and Duncan has been mapping for a long time, so that probably says a lot. There will always be people who aren't happy with results, or especially customer service. They will also tend to tell anyone who'll listen..... and unfortunately the customers who are happy don't always tend to be so vocal. I am not saying it's right.... but you have to appreciate a good mapper will spend most of the day..... well..... mapping. Hence it'll often be hard to get hold of them. Most are one person companies, or part of a very small team who are working on cars all day. They won't have a receptionist to take their calls or messages. Therefore it can be very hard to get in contact. It's very unfair to pick out Duncan in particular, many of the very best mappers are hard to get hold of..... even those with God like status. Also, there will always be "but a mate of a mate had a bad experience", but that can be said of almost any tuner. I've certainly heard negative stories about most companies on here, although I take them with a pinch of salt. |
Originally Posted by the shreksta
(Post 11968687)
What happened at the clinic?
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The whole complaining about "fitting as many cars in a day as he can" is hilarious, I take it none of the guys complaining about this run a business?
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Some people are special and require more attention than others. However 250 for an hours work is a great rate of pay by anyones standard.
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I have no idea how for instance RCM work their RR charges with Duncan but it must cost a bit.
I've never signed up for a group mapping session which is possibly were the cramming in comment might originate? but in itself must create pressures all around. Trev |
Duncan maps my blob sti and i have nothing bad to say about him. He spends the time he needs to spend in order to make sure my cars right, he mapped my car safe when he noticed my fuel pump was leaning out top end in order to save my fresh forged build.
The first time he mapped it at rcm on the rollers, he was at it for a few hours, him and olly sorted a fault on the boost side and he then road tested the car after the map was done to check all was well etc, i had no problems with the whole session whatsoever and tbh if he wasnt competent enough i doubt rcm would risk ruining theire reputation allowing him to map cars from there. The second time was a road map and was still happy with the whole session. I personally have no problems with him and his mapping ability, ive done about 10k miles on my forged build since duncan mapped it and its still running perfectly now.:thumb: |
Group bookings & mapping days are not the best solution if you want commitment & overall satisfaction .. turns into a can of worms & quite farcical as 1 car isn't the same as another / time scale / pressure / quality & money exchange , you can feel let down for sure . Other hand if your goin in at front of que you may feel delighted ..
1 /1 is the way to go , wouldn't have it any other way |
I think its all to easy to point the finger when a car goes wrong and as i posted a few on here love to post of something someone else said. Another thread will come up next week about another mapper,company or member and replace this one. Swings and roundabouts. Notice the main troll/crap talker/dickmuncher hasnt reposted again no names mentioned but you know who you are.
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Originally Posted by byrnsie44
(Post 11968677)
what did he do to your car?
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I encourage people to use Duncan as it means my cars faster and will also last longer than others oh and the less there are the value goes up on mine
Win win for all |
Personally I thing any car that's been tuned/remapped should be running with at least a knock analyzer and AFR gauge,maybe this way then people would know a bit more to weather their map is a safe one.
Detonation/pre-ignition will not always kill an engine from the off,could take 10,15,20k+ But the fact is a poorly mapped car will not stand the test of time. I've shared my experience with dynamite Duncan and the past is the past I guess! |
Hi All. I have just stumbled on this thread and thought it fair to add my opinion.
I have known Duncan for about 4 years. He has helped us develop a standard '95 classic WRX STI into a class winning/competitive machine running in prod mod sprint/hillclimb. He has been nothing but helpful and honest throughout. It is troubling to read such strong negative opinions about a bloke we know quite well. Bear in mind he operates at both SRR, the home of Syvecs, and RCM. Neither proprieters would entertain having a mapper on site who was incapable or unreliable. Think about it... He has always mapped our engines conservatively and we have never had a problem that wasnt of our own doing. Thats it. Just our opinion. |
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