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Paben 04 July 2017 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11951148)
Who says they are?

The very many millions of photos of Stonehenge, pyramids, etc are identical despite different times, different people, levels of intelligence. Why would that be?

jonc 06 July 2017 10:06 PM

Maybe because we are, as a collective consciousness at an evolutionary level, a species where we all share the same level of cognition. What we see in those photos will be different to what ants might see; the ants would have no concept of what they are looking at in those photos and wouldn’t actually “see” it as we do if at all. That or it’s because we are the ones being observed and what we can see and perceive is not actually our universe but that of a higher being and perhaps we are the ants.

ditchmyster 07 July 2017 07:16 AM

Maybe we are a tiny undiscovered solar system in a dollop of poo on the bottom of someones shoe... after all the universe is infinite. ;)

Paben 07 July 2017 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11951905)
Maybe we are a tiny undiscovered solar system in a dollop of poo on the bottom of someones shoe... after all the universe is infinite. ;)


That would certainly explain you but not necessarily the rest of us :lol1:

Paben 07 July 2017 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by jonc (Post 11951836)
Maybe because we are, as a collective consciousness at an evolutionary level, a species where we all share the same level of cognition. What we see in those photos will be different to what ants might see; the ants would have no concept of what they are looking at in those photos and wouldn’t actually “see” it as we do if at all. That or it’s because we are the ones being observed and what we can see and perceive is not actually our universe but that of a higher being and perhaps we are the ants.


Or perhaps we really are just players in a higher being's computer simulation? :wonder:

JTaylor 07 July 2017 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11951905)
Maybe we are a tiny undiscovered solar system in a dollop of poo on the bottom of someones shoe... after all the universe is infinite. ;)

This is not certain.

ditchmyster 07 July 2017 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11951937)
This is not certain.

Neither is the existence of god but you chose to believe it.

JTaylor 07 July 2017 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11951963)
Neither is the existence of god but you chose to believe it.

In which case we both believe in, respectively, an entity or concept which to date has proven unfalsifiable. However, astrophysics is not commonly considered a faith based belief system whereas Christianity is. Given this, my mandate for belief in God is much stronger than yours is for a 'belief' in an infinite universe, thus rendering your equivalence false. Put it like this: if I were in church and was asked if I believe in God, my positive response would be met with credulity. On the other hand, if you were to attend an astrophysics lecture and, when asked why the universe is infinite, described that it was a case of belief, you'd be met with derision and an instruction to do the math.

Paben 07 July 2017 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11951968)
In which case we both believe in, respectively, an entity or concept which to date has proven unfalsifiable. However, astrophysics is not commonly considered a faith based belief system whereas Christianity is. Given this, my mandate for belief in God is much stronger than yours is for a 'belief' in an infinite universe, thus rendering your equivalence false. Put it like this: if I were in church and was asked if I believe in God, my positive response would be met with credulity. On the other hand, if you were to attend an astrophysics lecture and, when asked why the universe is infinite, described that it was a case of belief, you'd be met with derision and an instruction to do the math.


And then he claims that 1 + 1 does not equal 2 and is escorted off the premises! 🙄

neil-h 07 July 2017 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Paben (Post 11951999)
And then he claims that 1 + 1 does not equal 2 and is escorted off the premises! 🙄

In fairness, he does have a point. 1+1 only equals 2 using the decimal number system. You can quite easily redefine the value of 1 to make it something else.

Paben 07 July 2017 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by neil-h (Post 11952013)
In fairness, he does have a point. 1+1 only equals 2 using the decimal number system. You can quite easily redefine the value of 1 to make it something else.

The only time 1+1 doesn't equal 2 is in a binary system. In real life, 1+1 always equals two. The only exceptions are when it doesn't! 😨😨

neil-h 07 July 2017 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Paben (Post 11952027)
The only time 1+1 doesn't equal 2 is in a binary system. In real life, 1+1 always equals two. The only exceptions are when it doesn't! 😨😨

Or if i have a cow, then i buy another cow. Then i have a herd of cows.

hodgy0_2 07 July 2017 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Paben (Post 11952027)
The only time 1+1 doesn't equal 2 is in a binary system. In real life, 1+1 always equals two. The only exceptions are when it doesn't! 😨😨

1 + 1 in binary does add up to 2 it is just expressed in binary (10) obviously

Paben 07 July 2017 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11952039)
1 + 1 in binary does add up to 2 it is just expressed in binary (10) obviously

Ah, adding up to, equalling and expressed is in fact 3. And it's a gang of cows.


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