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Originally Posted by TECHNOPUG
(Post 11949665)
Cells didn’t “divide” until we had invented the concept of division. Sure they did something; first there was 1 cell, now there are 2. So is that “addition”? No, it’s something else.
Division needed to be invented as a concept before we could describe what the cells were doing. It’s not the action of division but the mathematical concept of division that was invented. Without it, we wouldn’t be able to describe what we observed. Without inventing the scientific principle for example, we wouldn’t be able to describe the world around us. It would still exist but we’d be describing it as “Gods” or “Magic” – both invented human constructs. The basic mathematical constructs of numbers, addition, subtraction, multiplication & division had to be invented to observe & describe our world, before discoveries using those principles could be made. Had we invented different forms of observations & descriptions, then our discoveries would be different, even if the patterns in nature remained the same. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11949670)
We invented the name for them - yes I agree, but that's it.
Did we invent Physics and Chemistry too? Maybe colours and the weather? Maths, Physics & Chemistry though are human constructs; they are not natural phenomena, they are concepts invented by human to describe natural phenomena. |
Originally Posted by TECHNOPUG
(Post 11949677)
We didn’t invent rocks or colours or weather, no, they are all physical entities.
Maths, Physics & Chemistry though are human constructs; they are not natural phenomena, they are concepts invented by human to describe natural phenomena. Ok. We invented away of describing discovered natural laws - I obviously agree with you on that. Whether we gave them names or not though, the principles of multiplication, division etc would obviously still exist. |
It's the seemingly rigid nature of physics and maths that has caused many very bright people to believe we and the universe are all just part of a giant simulation, a complex game in the computer of some super advanced intelligence. The non random nature of physics and maths are cited as proof of computer programming rather than natural evolution, putting the likelihood of simulation/non simulation as high as 50/50. On that basis we have simply 'discovered' the maths behind our existence. Maybe.
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Boring
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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
(Post 11949708)
Boring
And now the intelligentsia contributes after careful consideration :lol1: |
Something about this thread dosen't add up.There are multiple answers & opinions are divided.
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
(Post 11949743)
Something about this thread dosen't add up.There are multiple answers & opinions are divided.
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Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11949692)
It's the seemingly rigid nature of physics and maths that has caused many very bright people to believe we and the universe are all just part of a giant simulation, a complex game in the computer of some super advanced intelligence. The non random nature of physics and maths are cited as proof of computer programming rather than natural evolution, putting the likelihood of simulation/non simulation as high as 50/50. On that basis we have simply 'discovered' the maths behind our existence. Maybe.
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11949756)
Your starting to go off on a tangent there.....
Just an alternate angle |
Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11949757)
Just an alternate angle
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
(Post 11949743)
Something about this thread dosen't add up.There are multiple answers & opinions are divided.
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Acutely aware that
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11949770)
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Sines are that's true |
One of many examples of mans desire to label and attempt to control everything in the universe.
Divide and conquer. The only reason 1+1 = 2 is because someone came up with the concept then told every body that it was so, it's called brain washing and is the basis of all education, to make sure we all think the same and ultimately do as we are told. |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949794)
One of many examples of mans desire to label and attempt to control everything in the universe.
Divide and conquer. The only reason 1+1 = 2 is because someone came up with the concept then told every body that it was so, it's called brain washing and is the basis of all education, to make sure we all think the same and ultimately do as we are told. |
Without 1+1 we would still be living off plant tubers
Good point :thumb: |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11949799)
You are joking, I assume.
I wouldn't bank on it! :lol1: |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949794)
One of many examples of mans desire to label and attempt to control everything in the universe.
Divide and conquer. The only reason 1+1 = 2 is because someone came up with the concept then told every body that it was so, it's called brain washing and is the basis of all education, to make sure we all think the same and ultimately do as we are told. |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949794)
One of many examples of mans desire to label and attempt to control everything in the universe.
Divide and conquer. The only reason 1+1 = 2 is because someone came up with the concept then told every body that it was so, it's called brain washing and is the basis of all education, to make sure we all think the same and ultimately do as we are told. As a matter of interest, pre educational brain washing, what does 1+1 add up to on planet Ditchy? :wonder: |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11949799)
You are joking, I assume.
Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11949819)
I wouldn't bank on it! :lol1:
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Why don't you just try and humour them, I'm sure with your superior intellect you can explain it to them in layman's term.
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My good lady studied pure mathematics at university. I even attended the odd lecture, even though I wasn't at university, fascinating listening(even though it was way over my head). Discussing proof of the existance of 'zero' I seem to remember and also mathematics in conjunction with astronomy which I managed to grasp, well some of the sentences made sense:lol1::wonder:
There were students who were fully dialled in and really understood their subject, they were asking difficult questions of the lecturers |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949863)
And I wouldn't expect either of you perfect examples to even begin to understand... otherwise you wouldn't be perfect examples. ;)
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11949966)
Well, if you could elucidate a little...
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11949871)
Why don't you just try and humour them, I'm sure with your superior intellect you can explain it to them in layman's term.
I do my own thing... never been a follower. :thumb: |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949980)
Well you believe in fairy tales and he thought he was going to be a super hero :lol1: ... need I say more.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949980)
Well you believe in fairy tales and he thought he was going to be a super hero :lol1: ... need I say more.
And this from the man who single handed has defeated entire companies of soldiers and who thinks 1+1 does not equal 2! |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11949987)
Another example... you assume that I some how think i'm superior... when actually I don't... I just see things for what they are... not what someone tries to tell me they are... It's called independent thought... which is something that most have accepted their conditioning not to have... which again is called herd mentality.
I do my own thing... never been a follower. :thumb: :lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::l ol1::lol1::lol1: |
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