did you forget we live in a deomcracy?

the people voted, whether right or wrong it should be actioned.

One needs to see the bigger picture though and stop seeing things with rose tinted glasses.

In which case I'd better start packing my bags as it's looking like a suicide to me. I've seen it happen in the Greek parliament and this has started to seem like a Tsipras reloaded :lol1:

A country with no industry CANNOT survive on services only, how hard is this to understand?

The problem is most politicians only care about how to remain in power the longest.

Once again, in the absence of any real understanding of the complexities of Brexit, a Brexiteer gives a simplistic blurb about democracy and the people have spoken rather than presenting any real argument about how their vision of Brexit can possibly work without destroying the economy! :luxhello:

Tidgy, a question....i know it is a fetch, but If they had a vote to make all education, from primary to university, a system where you have to pay everything yourself and it only passed that vote due to OAPs would you say they should enforce it?

In Holland they have had many referendums and when it is a clearly stupid result, then they 'take it under advice' and move on.

No worries , apparently there's going to be a flood of new tech start ups to save economy Once we are free of the EU

Don't worry Hodgey will be along shortly to tell us all that this is bol10x, just like the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.

Hmm, it's nice to daydream sometimes!

Funny that, because when Cameron passed the referendum legislation in parliament, it was for an advisory referendum and thus no need for a qualified majority. The government were always free to reject a close result on the grounds of public stupidity, but for some equally stupid reason, after the referendum legislation had been passed, the government promised to accept the result of the referendum even without a qualified majority and then even more stupidly decided to stick by that promise!


The stupidity didn't end there though; they then went ahead an enacted article 50 before they put any real though about what Brexit means (it just means Brexit doesn't it?), coming up with a decent plan for Brexit and getting cross party agreement for what Brexit means. Then then stupidly thought it would be a good idea to waste 3 months having a general election and then stupidly spent another year just arguing with themselves about whether Brexit means Brexit or not before coming up with a plan that everyone could agree with on Friday and then not agree with on Monday making it more and more likely that the government will collapse and we have another general election so that the other bunch of idiots can start disagreeing about what Brexit means and waste another year! Only we don't have another year, we have 9 months until Brexit means cliff edge and only 3 months until we need to have a final plan for not falling over that cliff edge because the EU still needs 6 months to sell it to the member states who then need to decide if they agree or not. And all this because a very small majoirty of the people who could be bothered to first register to vote and then actually go out and vote thought that leaving the EU was the best option based on an opinion formed for them by the tabloid newspapers telling them how great its going to be again like it was in the 40's when Britain ruled the world and answered to no one whilst defeating Hitler single handedly before going down the pup for pint of beer that cost an ha'penny!

Always makes me laugh when they keep saying what they have agreed isn’t what the people voted for. So apart from immigration what did they expect from Brexit? Everyone I know who voted out had only one reason “. Get rid of all the foreigners and take control of our borders”. So after that how do they keep coming up with what the people wanted?

Is it not what Farage and some of the other politicians wanted , even though Farage is the biggest hypocrite going as he wanted us out of Europe but still clung onto his MEP job as you can’t let that cash cow go can you :)

Is that chain round Teresa's neck some sort of prop ?

It's the pearl necklace Trump's just given her.

Trump puts the boot in, love it

I seem to recall the question was as simple as should Britain leave the EU. If we are no longer in the EU, the will of the people has been delivered. What is not being actioned about that? :Suspiciou

Exactly, when you leave, you don't keep any aspect of what you had before.

If the EU would like to trade with the UK we can do it under new arrangements. These arrangements don't need to have tie ins

Lets just throw all our eggs into one basket and put all our faith in a fly by night casino owner
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-trade-usa/


who , like our other wonderful new prospective trading partners , are 10 + x further away from the ones on our doorstep ( THUS EXTRA FUEL)

Think somebody needs to go away and look at what "leave" means.

Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, yet have many aspects of EU membership, so you can leave and have lots of things which don't change. So, once again, it's almost as if the question was too simple.....

It's not as if this wasn't brought up before the referendum, what different things leaving the EU meant to different people, and now we find ourselves in this awful mess.

The question was too complex to compact into a referendum question. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a referendum, but it really wasn't suitable at all as it was.

If we had capable politicians that they managed to negotiate a deal similar to Switzerland then that would be great but don't forget that Switzerland is where the humanity's money is stored so their situation is slightly different.

I don't know a lot about Norway just that their debt % vs their GDP is much lower than any other EU country so they must be doing something right. Perhaps that oil?

I don't know, but I'm not sure it's really relevant in the context of this bit of the discussion. As usual, Leavers just oversimplify what leaving the EU means, but it's obviously hugely complex, and people voted Leave for lots of different reasons. To continually gloss over this but offer nothing to resolve the issue helps no one, Leavers or Remainers.

I'm pretty sick of Brexiteers lecturing on democracy.


We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.


The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.


Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??

Not forgetting, for all those people who don't like immigrants, the England football team is full of immigrant descendants :lol1:

^Well said.

In the news this morning. Whilst I still think it won't happen, Brexit does seem to be falling apart, and no one is happy, Leave or Remain.

Whether we should or shouldn't have a 2nd vote is open for debate but I am more and more thinking we will have a 2nd vote. With 2 possible choice; 1 - stay. 2 - leave with nothing in place and start from scratch.

and how sick do you think people are of hearing remoaners go on about staying in and making up every excuse under the sun to try to reverse it?

Door swings both ways ;)

and this proves my point rather well

Tidgy, if the vote had been a straight up stay or leave with nothing event do you think everyone would vote the same? I am quite sure that the majority who voted to leave thought it be as simple as "no more foreigners (especially non-whites) and we keep everything else as it is"

If any elected government of this country was ever stupid enough to hold a referendum on for example "Should the UK declare war on North Korea", and the fvcktarded electorate was stupid enough to return a Yes result for that, I'd be quite happy to put up with the Yes voters' endless b!tching about "winning the referendum fair and square, we've been cheated", if and when the result got overturned.

Fvcktards are fvcktards, whether they're in some kind of pseudo-majority or not.

Lets get ready to rumble

All it proves is that the original referendum was wholly inadequate. It should have covered much more than asking a question which had so many different reasons for people answering one way or the other.

Agreeing to implement the result on what was effectively a 50/50 split was also stupid (for the same reasons above).