Brembo caliper refurb not gone to plan
So i decided it was time to refurb all the calipers.......
New piston seals, dust seals, bleed nipples (brake parts international parts) Stripped and cleaned, helicoiled all the threads front and rear, new bolts, hel braided lines and painted with vht paint. Reassembled everthing and bled near 1.75ltr of fluid through, i should mention that the reservoir did not drop, all lines were capped while i worked on the calipers. In a nutshell i basically have no pedal, although it could be pumped up till firm. Ive had the brake bled a futher 2-3 times, the pedal has come up slightly but still no where near it used to be Any suggestions? |
might be a silly question , but you have the calipers on the right side of the car with the bleed nipples facing upwards ?
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are you bleeding them right.... got brembos on my hatch and when fitted bled them worked like a dream !!!!
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Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
(Post 11882367)
might be a silly question , but you have the calipers on the right side of the car with the bleed nipples facing upwards ?
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Originally Posted by nikon-man
(Post 11882487)
are you bleeding them right.... got brembos on my hatch and when fitted bled them worked like a dream !!!!
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In no way am I saying you're incompetent pal but if your brakes are not right after you've had a do and your still unsure why they are not efficient get it trailered to a competent garage to sort as it is a matter of life and death when it comes to brakes don't risk it mate be responsible and do the right thing by letting a well known competent garage with positive feedback sort it for you less headache and money and you'll have assurance it's right aswell and drive your high performance car with confidence in motion :thumb:
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2-man method, Subaru sequence is pretty full-proof. Are you actually seeing air bubbles when bleeding the calipers or is it all clean fluid? How are you pumping 1.75ltrs if the reservoir is not dropping? Or are you saying it's not dropping when you apply the brakes afterwards?
You either still have a lot of air in the system and are not bleeding them properly or you have an air leak - check that your hoses are fully tight at either end and that you are nipping the bleed nipples back up fully. |
Mine was like this after all the calipers were removed. Just took a few goes to get all the air out then pedal was solid.
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i had a devil of a job bleeding my big porsche brembos when i unintensionally let the fluid pot empty recently - must have bled them 5 times and pulled air out everytime- i found slooooow pedal pushes rather than the fast method i had been using worked best -obviously using 2 people and bleeding all 4 brakes in order -check your bleed pipe is getting a good seal too or your letting air IN at every push...
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Originally Posted by ZANY
(Post 11882680)
In no way am I saying you're incompetent pal but if your brakes are not right after you've had a do and your still unsure why they are not efficient get it trailered to a competent garage to sort as it is a matter of life and death when it comes to brakes don't risk it mate be responsible and do the right thing by letting a well known competent garage with positive feedback sort it for you less headache and money and you'll have assurance it's right aswell and drive your high performance car with confidence in motion :thumb:
Again its just not near where it should be, the car can be driven safely, just not flat out! |
Originally Posted by TECHNOPUG
(Post 11882701)
2-man method, Subaru sequence is pretty full-proof. Are you actually seeing air bubbles when bleeding the calipers or is it all clean fluid? How are you pumping 1.75ltrs if the reservoir is not dropping? Or are you saying it's not dropping when you apply the brakes afterwards?
You either still have a lot of air in the system and are not bleeding them properly or you have an air leak - check that your hoses are fully tight at either end and that you are nipping the bleed nipples back up fully. Nearly 2ltrs i have used bleeding, i think the garage also used near the same amount. Ill check connections for air leaks but its not likely. |
Originally Posted by InTurbo
(Post 11882712)
Mine was like this after all the calipers were removed. Just took a few goes to get all the air out then pedal was solid.
Im also not 100% that the seals used in the piston chambers are doing their job correctly. Tempted to rebuild using new Brembo seals or using old ones as they were in perfect condition as were the pistons themselves |
Originally Posted by madwrx
(Post 11882746)
i had a devil of a job bleeding my big porsche brembos when i unintensionally let the fluid pot empty recently - must have bled them 5 times and pulled air out everytime- i found slooooow pedal pushes rather than the fast method i had been using worked best -obviously using 2 people and bleeding all 4 brakes in order -check your bleed pipe is getting a good seal too or your letting air IN at every push...
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i have told the guy to pm me and I will tell him a sure way to bleed the brakes but alas nothing from him !!!!
that way he would know if the seals etc are working |
Originally Posted by Whit80
(Post 11882884)
Understand completely what you are saying and have already visited a specialist, they did bring the pedal up, just through lots of bleeding.
Again its just not near where it should be, the car can be driven safely, just not flat out! Defo let us know how you get on:thumb: |
Originally Posted by nikon-man
(Post 11882897)
i have told the guy to pm me and I will tell him a sure way to bleed the brakes but alas nothing from him !!!!
that way he would know if the seals etc are working |
Originally Posted by ZANY
(Post 11882898)
If that's the case you'll be right mate I'd say it'll be right after a few more pumps nice and easy one more final bleed starting from the rear :thumb:
Defo let us know how you get on:thumb: |
Originally Posted by Whit80
(Post 11883080)
Pm'd bud
let us know what happens |
Originally Posted by Whit80
(Post 11882887)
Looks like it may be the case, just cant understand why!
Im also not 100% that the seals used in the piston chambers are doing their job correctly. Tempted to rebuild using new Brembo seals or using old ones as they were in perfect condition as were the pistons themselves |
Originally Posted by InTurbo
(Post 11883113)
If they not doing there job they would be leaking fluid around the Pistons.
I could be talking crap, but if the next bleed does nothing im going to put genuine brembo back in.......did recall reading on nasioc some time back that aftermarket piston seals should be avoided |
Originally Posted by nikon-man
(Post 11883094)
replied...
let us know what happens |
Originally Posted by Whit80
(Post 11883292)
Hopefully this weekend , weather permitting!
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Looking at next weekend now, been too busy.
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Originally Posted by Whit80
(Post 11884973)
Looking at next weekend now, been too busy.
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Just a quick update on this.....
Have tried bleeding twice using Nikons method, but no better. Driving to work one day and pulled a full lock right at 5mph to park in a spot and the pedal dropped almost to the floor! So im probably getting some movement from a worn bearing causing the extra travel. Now in the process of fitting 2 new NTN bearings and rebuild my front arms with super pro bushs while im at it! ill keep you updated..... ill eventually change the rear bearings also , to rule out any movement in the back |
What have the bearings got to do with it ? Just curious
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too be really honest if he has bled the brakes the way I told him then he has an issue with something as I have bled many systems and never had an issue....
as you say bearings would have no impact on the braking system |
Originally Posted by nikon-man
(Post 11900153)
too be really honest if he has bled the brakes the way I told him then he has an issue with something as I have bled many systems and never had an issue....
as you say bearings would have no impact on the braking system |
way to bleed brakes .....
once I have a few minutes I will write it up in word then paste it on here.... |
Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11900152)
What have the bearings got to do with it ? Just curious
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