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brendy76 23 December 2015 10:35 AM

anything I need to know before converting my uk sti bugeye projectors to HID
 
I have searched but thought there may be some more recent info on kits etc to use/avoid. I will be fitting a washer kit to pass mot etc over here so that is covered. I take it a decent set of H1s will do the job well and have many fellow bug owners done this?

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 10:40 AM

Yep, the only thing you. Need to know is it is still illegal....

brendy76 23 December 2015 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11774405)
Yep, the only thing you. Need to know is it is still illegal....

On projectors with washers/levellers we're fine over here in NI.

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 11:00 AM

Alright for some!

Unless you have. Self levelling, the sensors, washers etc you can't over here!

I wish the pigs would crack down on dick ends with hids in standard lights, drives me up the wall,

brendy76 23 December 2015 11:14 AM

Yea, regular glass headlamps with hids are a pain in the arse. I had standard bug fried eggs but went for projectors so I could get the extra light output legally, probably go for 4300k or 5000k but was wondering if there were any specific kits known to work well, longevity etc.

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 11:16 AM

I know the morimoto ones are recommended on here.

Cheap ebay stuff is a no no. 5k would be my choice

alcazar 23 December 2015 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11774416)
Alright for some!

Unless you have. Self levelling, the sensors, washers etc you can't over here!

I wish the pigs would crack down on dick ends with hids in standard lights, drives me up the wall,

Errrrm, this info isn't quite right.

I spent an age trawling the internet when the MoT changed, and what I found, which is backed up by three separate MoT testers, was that if HID is fitted, "Any levelling and washing devices which are fitted must work".

If none are fitted, there is NO requirement to fit any.

And yes, I agree, DO NOT go over 5000 K.

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 01:23 PM

I dont think that is correct....

brendy76 23 December 2015 01:52 PM

I know that the main diff between GB and NI regs is the words "may" and in NI, "must" when it comes to washers.

alcazar 23 December 2015 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11774472)
I dont think that is correct....

Do the research, as I did.

If you can find any official site that says that leveling and/or washing MUST be fitted, post it on here. I tried and found the above.
There are plenty of uninformed sites, and posts such as yours that say it, true, but NO OFFICIAL SITE I COULD FIND. And believe me, I tried.

"IF fitted, MUST be in working order". That's it.

They were also going to have a part that said that the bulb and light unit must have matching E-numbers, but didn't go that far either. THAT would have effectively put a stop to the use of aftermarket HID bulbs in halogen reflectors.

brendy76 23 December 2015 05:54 PM

Well I've bought a set from amazon, reasonably cheap but not rock bottom so will see when they arrive. H1 12v 55w 5000k slim ballast kit.

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11774544)
Do the research, as I did.

If you can find any official site that says that leveling and/or washing MUST be fitted, post it on here. I tried and found the above.
There are plenty of uninformed sites, and posts such as yours that say it, true, but NO OFFICIAL SITE I COULD FIND. And believe me, I tried.

"IF fitted, MUST be in working order". That's it.

They were also going to have a part that said that the bulb and light unit must have matching E-numbers, but didn't go that far either. THAT would have effectively put a stop to the use of aftermarket HID bulbs in halogen reflectors.

You obviously didn't research very hard the DFT views are very clear.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20120606172804/http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/dft-information-sheets/aftermarket-hid-headlamps.pdf

alcazar 23 December 2015 08:22 PM

Yes, I saw that, but it's ADVICE and isn't law.

The LAW is clear...read it on the MoT site.

JGlanzaV 23 December 2015 08:34 PM

Itlists all the relevant laws to which it has taken account of to which it has come to the conclusion of which HIDs are illegal.

This is guidance on how to comply with the relevant laws, so although the document its self isn't law, it tells you what you need to do to comply.

alcazar 24 December 2015 09:40 AM

Disagree. Go to the actual MoT site, read the testers' regs. No mention.

Mentions testing IF FITTED. No mention it has to be.

IF is the definitive word.

JDM_Stig 24 December 2015 09:47 AM

no washers or wipers on JDM headlights and they come with HIDs . . . never had an issue at MOT time or ever been pulled.

JGlanzaV 24 December 2015 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by JDM_Stig (Post 11774754)
no washers or wipers on JDM headlights and they come with HIDs . . . never had an issue at MOT time or ever been pulled.

Jdms have different regulations to uk cars..... There is a lot that doesn't apply to a jdm...

An mot doesn't prove compliance with the law alcazar, the laws that you have to conmply with are listed in the document. Mot is a test of roadworthiness based on the evidence present at the time, not legal compliance. I bet an MOT tester doesn't know half the laws stated within that document!

alcazar 24 December 2015 11:38 AM

Possibly...but it's the rule that allows you on the road, or not.

I still say that they ARE legal without washers/levelling. And that link was ADVICE, not law.

neil-h 24 December 2015 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11774405)
Yep, the only thing you. Need to know is it is still illegal....

Not if you do a full retrofit, I.e. Using a factory kit.

brendy76 30 December 2015 06:01 PM

....Anyway, had them delivered and were completely straight forward to fit. I can actually see where I am going now and beam pattern seems perfect. Washer system next.

alcazar 30 December 2015 07:49 PM

Post some pics of the beam pattern against a wall, then?

brendy76 30 December 2015 10:37 PM

Shall do tomorrow it's pissing it down outside.

brendy76 31 December 2015 05:14 PM

Was out for a quick shop there as it was getting dark. As you can see the cut off lines are pretty decent. I was parked up a little close to the wall but you get the idea. Def need to de swirl the headlights though as he scratches show up more when looking at the lenses.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...d66c5b55e7.jpg

alcazar 02 January 2016 06:31 PM

Does look pretty good. Mine are a glass lens, so no probs with marks.

riiidaa 02 January 2016 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by brendy76 (Post 11776787)
. Def need to de swirl the headlights though as he scratches show up more when looking at the lenses.


then use Jet Seal to seal them preventing them going cloudy

brendy76 02 January 2016 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by riiidaa (Post 11777524)
Meguiar's One Step Headlight Restoration Kit VS bug jdm lamps on a WRX - YouTube

then use Jet Seal to seal them preventing them going cloudy

Grand job, cheers matey.

wrxyz 03 January 2016 09:05 PM

Bit late, but I have had HID after market kits in my Morrette headlamp Bugeye for 4 MOT's, all i get is a note in the recommendations, never had to change them.
They also have a great beam pattern.

brendy76 03 January 2016 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by wrxyz (Post 11778009)
Bit late, but I have had HID after market kits in my Morrette headlamp Bugeye for 4 MOT's, all i get is a note in the recommendations, never had to change them.
They also have a great beam pattern.

The morettes were quite a few quid more to be honest so when I came across a set of uk sti units for £150 it was too good to turn down, the light output standard was even worse than the standard lenses (even with a set of rally 100w bulbs) ffs!! :)
Took another pic tonight to show the brightness, obviously I am parked on a fairly steep slope but used it to show the cut offs and actual light output from these, 55w 5000k rather than the usual choice of 6000k which are a little blue to me.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...103_185532.jpg


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