So you think our monarchy is symbolic, and therefore benign, do you?
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No real surprise there.
They are the ruling Monarchy after all. |
this is old news off course - the article is over 3 years old btw
the role of the monarchy (not the queen per se) is little understood in our "constitution" the government of the day can leverage a lot of power by invoking the historic powers vested in the monarchy |
Originally Posted by the Guardian
Whitehall papers prepared by Cabinet Office lawyers show that overall at least 39 bills have been subject to the most senior royals' little-known power to consent to or block new laws.
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Queen still has full control of the country, she could dissolve the government and take over is she wanted to.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11764553)
Queen still has full control of the country, she could dissolve the government and take over is she wanted to.
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Dissolving government, like in an acid bath? What a great idea, get rid of these wasters and parasites once and for all
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11764553)
Queen still has full control of the country, she could dissolve the government and take over is she wanted to.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11764588)
She could try, but the inevitable result would be the end of the monarchy
Navigation Aids bill btw, that must have been a biggy eh? They are still a souvenir superpower, they, along with H.O.P/Big Ben (Liz tower) etc make London millions, where else gets to see any of it? Flippant comment I know, but seriously, the group of countries would survive just fine without. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11764588)
She could try, but the inevitable result would be the end of the monarchy
as soon as she said the word the police and military would fall under her control, the gov has no power without them. Im not saying it ever would happen, would be a civil war if it was tried, but from a legal stand point she could do if she wanted to. |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11764610)
How so?
as soon as she said the word the police and military would fall under her control, the gov has no power without them. Im not saying it ever would happen, would be a civil war if it was tried, but from a legal stand point she could do if she wanted to. |
rather than the queen exercising her "power", which she thankfully realises is largely symbolic
it is more the way the implicit power of the monarchy is used by the Government of the day - via Royal Prerogative and the Privy Council etc the worry is that her view of the role may not be Charles's he may well see himself as a more interventionist Monarch, pushing the boundaries (he is already quite vocal in private) which as you say would more than likely see the end of the Monarchy my point essentially is that the Queen "gets" it, whereas there is no certainty that another Monarch would in that way the Queen is a republicans nightmare, because she is undoubtedly a class act (and I am a republican) |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11764612)
Parliament is sovereign, parliament would abolish the monarchy - there is no mechanism by which the Police and Army would 'fall under her control'
That said, She still has to approve and can remove ministers She still appoints the prime minister She can still declare war She can not be prosecuted for any crime (she is above the law) She is still commander in chief of the armed forces plus a whole heap of other stuff. In reality i don't think she ever could, however from a legal stand point i expect she could do if she wanted to. but depends, the amount of people who moan about politicians now a days they may well want her too lol |
Originally Posted by brendy76
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Having a group of politicians (voted in) pass a bill only for a small set of people to block it seems a little odd to me, especially when they are all out of touch with common man.
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Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
(Post 11764625)
the house of lords did it not long ago didnt they? and surprisingly most of them are considered out of touch with the common man and are sleeping most of the time they are in chambers but they did vote against the legislation on working tax credits
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Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
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the house of lords did it not long ago didnt they? and surprisingly most of them are considered out of touch with the common man and are sleeping most of the time they are in chambers but they did vote against the legislation on working tax credits
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I happen to think it's a good thing for the royals to have a right to vito the government of the day, reason being they have and always will have the best interests of the country at heart, where as politicians will always have their personal interests at heart.
I know to a degree so will the monarchy, but ultimately their continued existence depends on and requires UK PLC to be doing good, so in effect they are in it for the long haul, not short term gain like most politicians. I'm no royalist but I do think we are probably better off with them and all the pomp and circumstance that goes with having a royal family than we would be without them, after all we are the envy of the world. |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11764647)
they .
Charles may have a different view as to his role |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
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how do you know "they" will always have our best interest though
Charles may have a different view as to his role |
We are the envy of the world for having a Royal Family leaching off us?
Laughing stock, more like. |
yep, the saxe-coburg-gotha family has done really well over here, oh sorry, i meant windsor!
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Originally Posted by alcazar
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We are the envy of the world for having a Royal Family leaching off us?
Laughing stock, more like. |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
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I doubt the world has very many selfless people in it, ultimately we are all pre-programmed to have our own and that of our families best interests at heart, SO :D by default since their good fortune is inextricably linked to the nations dgood fortune "they" will ultimately do what is best for Queen and country.
Just witness the meltdown in the Spanish Royal family Maybe that's why she is hanging on, the thought of Charles, or God forbid that chancer Andrew as the Monarch - jeez Maybe she knows something we don't !!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by neil-h
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Fortunately I don't think the rest of the world is as pathologically bitter as you are.
I've spoken to quite a few, they don't want 'em, that's for sure. And come on...REALLY? Just because of who you were born? HOW out of date are you? |
It would be interesting to hear an armed services view
Can you imagine having to lay down your life for king and country - and the king being prince Andrew Who may well have brokered the arms deal, that gave the enemy the weapons systems that smoked your ar5e Lol |
Originally Posted by alcazar
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How many foreigners have YOU spoken to about our royal leaches?
I've spoken to quite a few, they don't want 'em, that's for sure. And come on...REALLY? Just because of who you were born? HOW out of date are you? |
Originally Posted by alcazar
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How many foreigners have YOU spoken to about our royal leaches?
I've spoken to quite a few, they don't want 'em, that's for sure. And come on...REALLY? Just because of who you were born? HOW out of date are you? As for the last part, I'm not even going to dignify that with a proper response. |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11764763)
It would be interesting to hear an armed services view
Can you imagine having to lay down your life for king and country - and the king being prince Andrew Who may well have brokered the arms deal, that gave the enemy the weapons systems that smoked your ar5e Lol |
Originally Posted by DYK
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Well when joining the forces you give an attestaion and handed a New Testament bible,printed inside is your name date and place where the attestaion ceremony had taken place,it also says the bible is presented on behalf her majesty the queen,and during the ceremony say you'll serve the queen etc,but it's just what you have to do and say as part of the process in joining..we all thought it was b0ll0cks
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Originally Posted by alcazar
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How many foreigners have YOU spoken to about our royal leaches?
I've spoken to quite a few, they don't want 'em, that's for sure. And come on...REALLY? Just because of who you were born? HOW out of date are you? I'll say it again I'm no royalist nor am I a republican but I can see the math and the kudos we as a nation receive from the rest of the world. Personally I don't think any man is better than me, nor I them, we are all humans and to be completely honest I really don't envy anyone born into the royal family or a "high society" type position, it would be my worst nightmare. |
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