Best value Type R Brake upgrade
 

Been told that the Brembo 4 Pots are a good upgrade by a P1 owner. Not sure if they had 4 pots as standard? They look nice, but are they much better, if any better?

Seen some brakes in the ££££s which I certainly can't afford at the moment. It's just a thought for the future or if the right deal came up in the used section.

brembo's will be a decent upgrade, but cant beat ap's

I recently put brembos on the front of mine, with DS2500 pads and decent standard discs and its a vast improvement. Given that type r's have no abs vs the p1 you get a lot better pedal feel and progression. I'm yet to lock them up but I dont abuse the car enough to warrant very heavy braking. This is also why I left the rear 2 pots standard

AP 4 pots every time cost a little more but also fit behind a lot more wheels than brembos do, also if you pick up a set second hand you'll always get your money back.;)

Heard nothing but good things about the AP's but only ever seen them in a 6 pot and the cost of discs/pads put me off.

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you get what you pay for, best brakes on any car i've ever driven

Your discs are wrong way Gandu

'It depends if the discs have straight or curved viens in the centre of the discs , AP discs have curved viens so they machine there grooves the opposite way , I had some discs from them not so long ago which had the grooves going the same way as the vents , '

quoted from godspeed, there was a whole thread about it when i first got it haha

First time I've seen AP discs that way, normally ksports that are that way afai seen

I suspect there not the origional disks mate, there on the to replace list anyway cos i think there slightly warped

You dont go by the external grooves when you fit them, you look at the internal vanes and fit them according to them. Another vote for AP 4 pots with PF pads, handling mid 500bhp no problem!

I have done 30k since I got the car 4yrs ago, original discs still going strong and I did about 25k on one set of pads that were on the car when I bought it, new pads (ds2500) cost about £140 delivered, but by my reconing I'll not be changing them for another 20k at least.

You get what you pay for. :thumb:

Hopefully I've got AP 6 pots coming fingers crossed :D

theres a set of 4 pot ap's on ebay

Their the crapper older ones at a inflated sum of £900 Stewart.

Mine are the same on my ap's. They go the other way

6 pots will perform no better on a classic than 4 pot APs, yet you have increased pad costs and more reciprocating mass...

might have set of brembos with pf discs and pads :-)

Then swap me yours? I havnt chosen 6 pots on purpose.

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they do on that style of AP disc BUT be aware that some AP kits run a slightly differing design and would look the opposite way if you simply went by the grooves..........

as mentioned above you must go by the rotation of the internal vane if curved design

My V3 type r runs oe 4 pots front and 2 pots rear. Fitted with grooved discs and RC5+ pads. Really, really good in my opinion with no brake fade on the road at all. A little noisey but thats it. I wanted to be able to fit the oe 16" wheels so had to get the best out of what would fit.

I'm running Brembo's on my Type R. A good set up for little money.

I have AP 6 Pots and i only have them because they look big :)

Did you have standard 4 pots before, and then see a good improvement after fitting Brembos?

Just a little worried with a £500 outlay for some used ones to find they need a refurb for near the same price and then they aren't much better anyway.

Brembos are definitely better than wrx 4 pots with right pad choice. The wrx ones overheat with a bit of spirited driver compared to brembos,

Brembos are a waste of good money imo, if you're serious about braking then you need some quality kit.

Just to quantify my reasoning, any brembos you buy are going to be ish 10yrs old and cost you £4/500, if you want them to work well then they're going to need a refirb, new discs and pads, by the time you've done that you're very close to new AP 4 pot money.

My Ap's have given 4yrs trouble free and 30k miles, with the new pads they have another 30k left in them, right now I could stick them on here for £700 and get it no problem, and that's with half worn discs.

Even if it costs £200 more all in for new AP's, it's worth it.

Anyone that's ever used them knows, buy them and your brakes won't be somethig to worry about, and you'll get s good portion if your money back.

Yes, I had standard Type R brakes, i.e. 4 pot front and 2 pot rear.
I cooked them with some spirited driving one evening and tried everything to get them back again - stripped and refurbished the calipers, new updated discs and pads, new master cylinder, replaced the fluid etc. I could never get them to feel good. They were ok, don't get me wrong, but maybe I was expecting too much. Anyway, I was never happy so I fitted new age Brembos front and rear and was impressed with the results.

Yes AP's are better, but my Brembos cope well with 370BHP of fast road style driving. If I was going to track the car regularly I'd upgrade - possibly to AP's. If a set of good Brembos can be found cheap they are a good option for a road car in my opinion.

I've heard of engine mods limiting power but didn't realise brakes are connected to the engine,,,, lol

sorry couldn't resist.

The STi brembo's are a good upgrade from the Subaru 4 pots , you can get the Subaru's 4 pots to work very well , I have won a rally outright in my old Classic Type R Impreza using the subaru 4 pots , and that was running rally 18" slick tyres.

The only issue with running the STi Brembo's , is you might need to change wheels as they don't find under most classic fit 17" wheels , and they don't fit under the 2001 onwards WRX wheels , and as mentioned above , to make them work well enough for hard driving or trackdays you need good discs and pads , which if you need to do all this it works out an expensive kit.

Second hand AP kits can be good value , you just need to check what you're buying as we have had a few customers send calipers in they have bought , and ended up spending quite a lot on having calipers reconditioned , new rotors and pads , which then ended up not being far off the cost of a new kit.

We can supply kits with AP calipers , we offer a 330mm kit with CP6600 4 pot calipers , which have proper dust seals , kit comes with a choice of pad , brackets ect , these kits are £1250.

A very good kit , and good value starting at £999 , is our new Brembo 4 pot caliper`kit , the calipers are a one piece monoblock body , kit includes 330mm x 28mm grooved discs , either curved groove , or our new G hook groove , choice of pads , alloy brackets , and all fitting hardware , we can also powder coat the calipers any colour.

The kit with curved grooved discs and silver anodised calipers is £999.
The kit with our new G hook discs , and calipers powder coated any colour you like is £1099.

This is the kit with red powder coated calipers and G hook discs

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This is the kit with standard silver anodised calipers and curved grooved discs

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The AP 6 pot kits are definitely an improvement over the 4 pots , but from high speeds , on a track day braking from 130-150 you would notice the difference , we also offer kit using the new AP CP9040 6 pot forged calipers , these are very good , and offer complete 330mm kit for £1500 and 355mm kits for £1600

Hope this helps

Cheers Ian