We nearly bought one a few years back from Gunfield Vizlas but we canceled in the end when my wife got pregnant, didn't want a big dog and newborn at the same time, ended up getting 2 jack russlles a year apart from one another.

Vizlas are great dogs, but they are a handful and can be a pain in the arse if not worked, (think springer spaniel) I was going to have him for hunting so wouldn't have been a problem. We also looked at German wire haired pointers and Weimaraners, my favourite was the wire haired pointer for the way they work and can bring down deer in a pair, but wifey was having none of it, She didn't like the look of them (a bloke I know has 2) and the thought of 2 of them trained to bring down deer frightend her a bit, so compromised with the Vizla. :(

Then between boy and this place, hunting went out the window.:cry:

Yeah they can look a bit like a black panther with the cropped ears, The Cane Corso is also very cat like as is the dogo, mine is a really good jumper too, he goes straight onto the back of my vw pick up from sitting like a cat would and he covers ground when running like no other dog I have ever seen, he's a very impressive animal. Stops people dead in there tracks when they see him coming towards them. :lol1:

mmm interesting about "worked" - you mean long walks etc

not too much of a problem, we live in a village and back onto fields/walks plus we have quite a large garden

my wife has done quite a bit of research, apparently they are quite intelligent, easy to train, not too big and don't moult or smell - yeah right!!!! (but she deffo does not want a yapper)

although I suspect no breed/breeder actually ever says their particular breed is a bit thick and out of control

They're an energetic breed, more so if you get one from somewhere like Gunfield Vizlas because they're predominantly working lines, which are the best to go for depends what you're after, they have been bred for intelligence and stamina as opposed to being bred for how the look, which can mean you end up with totally different dogs.

Like my two Jack Russells, male was from working lines (Rat Pack) female was from show lines (Pacalito) opposite ends of the scale in terms of temperament, he had twice the energy and 10 times the fight in him, too aggressive for a family pet and had to have him put down in the end unfortunately. Where as the female is as soft as you like and a proper couch monster, still got her.

As for the smell thing, wash them and they'll go straight out and find some fox poo or pee and roll in it. :lol1:

When I was looking into dogs I did so much research, literally months worth and the more I looked into it, the more I got put off by the ponsy show lines, breeding only for looks and soft temperament. My advice is to stay away from show lines and get a proper traditional working line dog. I believe that a working dog can live with a 'good' family who are going to put the effort in just as much as a show line dog could. I don't have my GSD with me every single day on the farm (I do try to though) and he's perfectly fine left in my secure garden while at work. There's also some good articles online comparing various breeds of dogs, e.g 80 years ago compared to today's equilivant. Quite shocking the way some of them have changed due to breeding purely for looks and what I would call a "boring" temperament.

To a degree I agree with what you're saying, but you also wanted a part guard dog, so working lines make sense for you.

To be fair to my dog it wasn't his fault, he was a very good dog and with reference to your earlier question, probably the one I liked the most, But Jack Russlles despite their size in working dog form are in fact fighting dogs.

Which ultimately is something I overlooked and didn't really comprehend until he had a bit of a play fight with some blokes pit bull whilst out walking him one day, he said he's never seen any dog get the better of his before, this dog was twice his size and couldn't get a glove on him, the way my dog moved it was like watching a snake, even surprised me.

But as he got older and started cocking his leg and scent marking he changed and wouldn't take any sh1t from anyone or thing, until the point he attacked my son, after that he had to go.

Even though I’ve owned a dog for all bar 3 of the last 30 years, it’s clear that we exist on different levels of hell, Ditch.



Up here, in near utopia (marred only by ‘racial stereotyping’ allegedly, and millions of white men determine to divest me of the mega chip I’m packing apparently and an online stalker obsessed with my c0ck) I see things a bit differently.

When youth tell a court they were carrying a weapon to even up the odds and that they joined their gang for protection and companionship we rightly figure there’s something seriously amiss with them and send them to jail or for counselling.

So when an adult (can’t call him a man) feels the need to keep, carry and/or parade a weapon dog, regardless of its legality or stated justification, I’m forced to question his deficiencies.

Well speaking as a fellow chip carrier, had it my whole life, strangely enough it seems to be something that only white men can see too, may be it has something to do with the fact that I won't lie down and let anyone fcuk me. :wonder:

I also have a problem with online stalkers which is something else I struggle to understand. Why people feel the need to write nasty things to other people, and try and make themselves appear somehow better.

I long since came to the conclusion that they are angry at the world, maybe because they haven't fulfilled their dreams, or that something or quite possibly many things are lacking in their lives, they feel the need to take out their frustrations on others without fear from behind a computer screen, because I'm pretty sure if they went through their day to day life talking to people the way they do on the internet, they'd be spending rather a lot of time on their backs and at the dentists.

I do get the weapon thing though, because if everyone else is carrying one and all you can pull out of your pocket is your hand with some skin on it, then you're going to be at a distinct dis-advantage. After all if the government can have Nuclear weapons as a deterant why shouldn't ordinary people be allowed a deterant.

I carried a knife for a few years in my youth, even though I'd done karate from the age of 7 I still didn't have the confidence to leave the house without one, knowing many others were also carrying made me feel the need to carry one too, (peer pressure hey) in my defence it was at a time when gangs of football hooligans were quite keen on train lining (stanley knifing) anyone they came across and if you weren't white then all the better.

But I learned that if you carry a knife you'll end up using it as opposed to looking for alternative solutions, like just running away or better still not being there in the first place.

And so we come to the dog, I live in the middle of nowhere in a foreign country on a hill in a mountain range alone, I'm not easily intimidated by man or beast, as you can probably guess by the location I chose to live in, but even I am aware of my limitations, as I approach 50 yrs of age I feel as though I'm in my prime and I'm in pretty good shape too.

One day almost 5yrs ago 3 men came to my house, fortunately I was outside working with tools, they were obviously checking me out having heard there's a "Rich english guy" living there alone.

Now fortunately I have a certain look about me that seems to make people think twice, so nothing happened, but I did feel as though if they went for it, it wasn't going to be pretty or end well, I think the tools helped too.

So I got myself a big dog and Encouraged him to have a bad attitude towards strangers.

Some may think it somehow makes me less of a man, I think he's a companion a deterant and early warning system that stops stupid people being stupid and getting themselves into trouble. :thumb:

P.S; Also never been without a dog in my family for almost 50yrs, this one just happens to perform a couple of other functions.

Don't flatter yourself Sam, on either the stalker or obsession points. I hardly think making reference to what you've openly posted on here is "stalking" :lol1:.


Oh, and by the way you spell cock with an "o" ;)

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Its quite sad really that you are two narrow minded see the differences between the results of socio-economic problems and the choice to have a particular breed of dog (the owners of which and the dogs themselves you just can't seem to avoid stereotyping, despite your attempt to justify what you are "forced" to question)

Not everyone with a certain type of dog has [insert your choice of syndrome here].

There's only one person stereotyping here, and that's somewhat ironic given your apparent dislike of being stereotyped yourself.

Of course if Ditchy, LSherrat, Stonejedi and anyone else on her who choses to own and property train certain breeds of dog are all carrying some physical or psychological deficiency, as you have stated unequivocally that they must be, then my bad :thumb:

Well actually I think I'm probably one of the calmest, self assured, in control, well rounded people anyone is likely to meet, and that's after almost 50yrs of trying to find someone who can handle themself in all situations, the way that I do.

P.S: Still looking, although theres maybe 2/3 that I respect on here for the way they think. ;)

Talking about responsible owners, we have to lock our cat out of the room when our son is home, he's 4 years old and weighs 33lbs. Our cat weighs just under 29lbs and likes to play fight with our son.

Once the little lad ran across the room and belly flopped on the cat, the cat grabbed him with all 4 paws (claws retracted) and did a death roll with the young-un. Nipper was laughing but at the same time he was pinned down. Scary thing is the cat has 3 more years of growing.

Had some retard with a young child cross the road and mutter under her breath about my illegal dog and told her kid to never approach such a disgusting animal...

I just looked at her with that look of "are you as thick as you look? I cant believe what I just heard"

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Scary huh?

Good on her. :thumb:

Nice looking dog Jay:).SJ.