Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11668807)
:lol1: He's got lost as usual!
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11668848)
Again, change the record or go stalk someone else otherwise I'll just make and idiot of you again. :sleep:
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11668857)
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbaza...o-is-released/ Try to forget the association with drugs and hitmen, this and Bitcoin opens business to anyone with a raspberry pie, internet and something to sell. |
Cannabis may have some limited use for certain applications in medicine but I've always been quite sceptical about its use in pain relief, studies have never really concluded favourably in its analgesic properties.
There have been some conflicting studies over the years about how dangerous it is physiologically but the general consensus is that it's generally at least as bad as smoking tobacco, and due to the way it is smoked (no filter, packed rollup) it is considered by many to be more dangerous, and I would agree based on experience. What is not in doubt is the drug's affect on the psychological state, and long term use is certainly detrimental and potentially very bad for those with underlying disorders. I've seen some very misinformed posts about cannabis use on social media, anyone who thinks that smoking the stuff is benefitting in any way is clearly well baked. I would not support it being legalised, even if I can appreciate that some people feel they should be allowed to responsibly. |
I'm under no illusions at all that cannabis has the potential for quite serious negative health effects, even if only among the unlucky few, but I'd support legalization on the basis that the law enforcement and other resources consumed in trying to combat its use would be far better deployed elsewhere, with one condition. A law is brought in beforehand making it a specific and strictly enforced offense to supply it to anyone under 18, punishable by five years or more in prison even for small amounts.
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11668848)
Again, change the record or go stalk someone else otherwise I'll just make and idiot of you again. :sleep:
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Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11669642)
I'm under no illusions at all that cannabis has the potential for quite serious negative health effects, even if only among the unlucky few, but I'd support legalization on the basis that the law enforcement and other resources consumed in trying to combat its use would be far better deployed elsewhere, with one condition. A law is brought in beforehand making it a specific and strictly enforced offense to supply it to anyone under 18, punishable by five years or more in prison even for small amounts.
Smoking is bad full stop. Which is why you get one of these http://www.vapecritic.com/vaporizers...fty_1200px.jpg |
I'm not a smoker and have no experience of vaporisers. But as I understand, whilst vapourisers are "safer" due to lack of smoke from combustion, no body knows the long term effects of such devices for getting your nicotine hit. Whilst the tobacco industry is heavily regulated, the manufacture and sale of vapourisers and the chemicals in nicotine oils etc are not, right? Wouldn't the regulation of cannabis follow the same route as tobacco with regards to vapourisers?
Besides, vapourisers still doesn't address the underlying issue of cannabis. Smoking cannabis has the same phisiological effects as with tobacco, but also the additional psychological issues with short term and prolonged use. |
Obviously safer but not without risk. Vaporising Weed might send you fruit loop but isn't likely to give you cancer.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11668146)
Two of the most addictive and destructive drugs in the world are alcohol and nicotine and they are legally available yet cannabis that many studies have shown to be less harmful than nicotine remains illegal.... :cuckoo:
Ask any psychiatric department how many of there current patient list are habitual cannabis or have been THC based drugs users and the figures are stark = most of them. If you know how THC works you will understand why so many "stoners" are in such a psychotic mess. THC content of modern skunk or the hybrid South African sh*t is now about 15% higher (and increasing) than ten years ago and the effects are now hitting the stats. Alcohol consumption is coming down and the associated effects and illnesses will follow. Nicotine is not as destructive as the other elements contained in tobacco, addictive yes. |
Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11668467)
I have good knowledge of Dark Net Markets, could get any drug delivered to your door next day. There are NO controls right now, I have no idea what you'd get.
A paedophile, it's where they all hide like the rest of the lowlife scum. |
Schizophrenia is often associated with Cannabis use, but the number of new cases in no way reflects the growth in Cannabis use. I think people susceptible to mental illness are more likely to use cannabis, I'm sure it doesn't help, but I do believe they have issues other than smoking weed.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 11670077)
A paedophile, it's where they all hide like the rest of the lowlife scum.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670085)
Paedos don't hide themselves, you might say hello to one every day. Secure communication has lots of benefits, don't let the paedo next door ruin our privacy.
Like ISIS or the passing of child porn images. But we digress. My partners brother is a clinical psychiatric nurse and his real life experience is that THC based drugs are a very big issue and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. |
Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670081)
Schizophrenia is often associated with Cannabis use, but the number of new cases in no way reflects the growth in Cannabis use. I think people susceptible to mental illness are more likely to use cannabis, I'm sure it doesn't help, but I do believe they have issues other than smoking weed.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 11670069)
Ask any psychiatric department how many of there current patient list are habitual cannabis or have been THC based drugs users and the figures are stark = most of them. If you know how THC works you will understand why so many "stoners" are in such a psychotic mess.
THC content of modern skunk or the hybrid South African sh*t is now about 15% higher (and increasing) than ten years ago and the effects are now hitting the stats. Alcohol consumption is coming down and the associated effects and illnesses will follow. Nicotine is not as destructive as the other elements contained in tobacco, addictive yes. |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11670118)
I complete disagree (unless you are inferring that you'd have to be "mental" to use cannabis.) A family member was sectioned for his own safety after an extreme mental episode brought on by prolonged use of cannabis. He had no history of any mental illness prior to using cannabis and has had no further episodes since giving up this drug. He disappeared from his university campus and was off the radar for several days and was in a real bad state, mentally and physically, when I found him hundreds of miles away.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11670120)
Ban them all or none of them, to do otherwise is illogical!
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Afroman's new POSITIVE remix following changes to the American laws and also promoting the new weed maps app...
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670140)
Trust me, there's more to that story than a few spiffs, but they obviously didn't help.
And what inner knowledge would you have on Jonc's family situation? |
Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
(Post 11670170)
And what inner knowledge would you have on Jonc's family situation?
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670140)
Trust me, there's more to that story than a few spiffs, but they obviously didn't help.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11670196)
Being tracked and found by jonc would be enough to leave be on a bad way ;) :D
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670199)
I did snigger when 'no family history' was mentioned.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670188)
It's pretty obvious, some people flip out on Alcohol, that doesn't mean we should ban it, we should find out why they drank to excess which is obviously the case with Jon's mate. And fair play to you Jon for helping them out.
Jokes aside, he isn't just a mate, he's my brother and was very distressing to see him that state. There may be an argument that some people are more susceptible to the psychological effects of cannabis, and there is no way knowing who those people are. But based on my experience, legalising cannabis and making it openly available would increase the likelihood of increasing mental disorders in our population adding additional strain to an already stretched NHS. |
Sorry to hear that Jon.
Please understand that we're not winning the war on drugs, not legalising it doesn't mean people won't use it, what it means is people will be using who knows what containing who knows what rather than a tested product. With legalisation we could invest in better education which may have discouraged your brother from smoking a lot of weed - yes that is a lot of weed - whilst under the added pressure of University. |
Originally Posted by JackClark
(Post 11670224)
Sorry to hear that Jon.
Please understand that we're not winning the war on drugs, not legalising it doesn't mean people won't use it, what it means is people will be using who knows what containing who knows what rather than a tested product. With legalisation we could invest in better education which may have discouraged your brother from smoking a lot of weed - yes that is a lot of weed - whilst under the added pressure of University. ps. Appreciated, but no need to applogise, it happened a long time ago. :thumb: |
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