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taylor85 22 December 2014 10:33 AM

Best turbo for Quarter mile
 
Im setting my classic up for quarter mile fun with some friends. Its a kinda budget build so i dont wanna throw loads of money at it but

Im just wondering what the best turbo is in terms of quick blast down the quart mile strip? Presume i need something small so little lag,

Ive got a apexi power FC and commander to manage it all, Full decat exhaust and usual bolt on mods

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 12:24 PM

Don't worry about lag on the strip! You'll be launching hard and changing fast.

My long term plan is to get a big turbo and run low boost to avoid torque killing my 5 speed box. Hoping for about 400bhp and 330lbft. It'll be laggy though when pottering around town.

boosted 22 December 2014 12:25 PM

Power is what you want not reduced lag, most dedicated 1/4 mile cars run launch control and flat shift, so lag is not an issue.
So you ideally want the biggest, dirtiest turbo you can find, along with huge injectors.
The clutch and gearbox is what will make or break a good 1/4 mile car, strong and reliable with good tall gearing, ideally you want to be in fourth accross the line, so three changes.

boosted 22 December 2014 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588126)
Don't worry about lag on the strip! You'll be launching hard and changing fast.

My long term plan is to get a big turbo and run low boost to avoid torque killing my 5 speed box. Hoping for about 400bhp and 330lbft. It'll be laggy though when pottering around town.

Mat you can run a 20g and just map the boost very progressively, be a better option than fitting a huge turbo? Map the boost so that you don't get full boost till 5000rpm, by that time the torque curve is starting to drop. Would drive like a big engined NA car

bustaMOVEs 22 December 2014 12:29 PM

T36 sounds nice

taylor85 22 December 2014 12:31 PM

cheers guys, its not going to be a dedicated car for that use, mostly B road blasting and messing about with, occasional track day etc

its not a daily, i got a 6 paddle clutch i can use

taylor85 22 December 2014 12:32 PM

i was tempted on keeping the TD04 and run 10%-20% meth

after seeing a youtube video on a wagon running a 04!


RS_Matt 22 December 2014 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by boosted (Post 11588132)
Mat you can run a 20g and just map the boost very progressively, be a better option than fitting a huge turbo? Map the boost so that you don't get full boost till 5000rpm, by that time the torque curve is starting to drop. Would drive like a big engined NA car

I can imagine to make 400bhp at 5000rpm I'd be needing a big helping of boost on a TD05 20G. I've got to think about running a turbo at it's most efficient to help engine temps. 400bhp will be a lot for a stock WRX.

fat-thomas 22 December 2014 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588149)
I can imagine to make 400bhp at 5000rpm I'd be needing a big helping of boost on a TD05 20G. I've got to think about running a turbo at it's most efficient to help engine temps. 400bhp will be a lot for a stock WRX.

What???!
You said it would take 450bhp!!!!
The sti does ;)

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by taylor85 (Post 11588139)
i was tempted on keeping the TD04 and run 10%-20% meth

after seeing a youtube video on a wagon running a 04!

rentaracecar.co.uk TD04 vs Pontiac GTO Subaru does a 12.8 second pass at North Weald June 2013 - YouTube

Very impressive. I ran a 13.7 with a TD04 at 1bar in an heavier Newage without LC, FFS and Floyd playing for encouragement.

WRX's are the kings of the strip that's for sure.

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11588151)
What???!
You said it would take 450bhp!!!!
The sti does ;)

My car isn't a JDM WRX. Thought drag racing bored you?

fat-thomas 22 December 2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588154)
My car isn't a JDM WRX. Thought drag racing bored you?

I'm interested in imprezas, i cant understand if drag racing interests you, you compromise running low torque due to weak components when there is an out of the box solution in there premium model.

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11588178)
I'm interested in imprezas, i cant understand if drag racing interests you, you compromise running low torque due to weak components when there is an out of the box solution in there premium model.

A model that is consistently 20% slower than a WRX?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

2009 265bhp WRX 0-60 = 4.7secs 1/4 13.5
2009 305bhp STI 0-60 = 5.0secs 1/4 13.6

No thanks, I'll run 20% less torque and protect the quicker box whilst minimising spin...

taylor85 22 December 2014 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588153)
Very impressive. I ran a 13.7 with a TD04 at 1bar in an heavier Newage without LC, FFS and Floyd playing for encouragement.

WRX's are the kings of the strip that's for sure.

What power did you make ? 280ish is td04 Max isn't it ? I got a vf28 too but it's about dead

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by taylor85 (Post 11588183)
What power did you make ? 280ish is td04 Max isn't it ? I got a vf28 too but it's about dead

I made 280/273 @1.02bar, most I've heard from a OE TD04 is 310bhp stateside. I can imagine they are shifting a lot of warm air at this point.

They may make even more with other supporting mods but most WRX owners have changed up by 280bhp.

It's strange stepping up from a small turbo, with my TD04 I'd keep up with Audi RS4's to 70ish without launching but moving to the bigger TD05 I can't even keep up with 1.2 Corsas from the lights. If I launch it though it's a different story, I can't see any 01> STI south of 400bhp keeping up with me.

fat-thomas 22 December 2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588182)
A model that is consistently 20% slower than a WRX?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

2009 265bhp WRX 0-60 = 4.7secs 1/4 13.5
2009 305bhp STI 0-60 = 5.0secs 1/4 13.6

No thanks, I'll run 20% less torque and protect the quicker box whilst minimising spin...

A 2009 car is the hatch so not sure how that's relevant given its got a different engine etc.
Anyway as I'm not at work this week I'm not getting paid to laugh at your sti envy so have fun trying to justify not having enough cash to be fast :)
Peace out homies!

fat-thomas 22 December 2014 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588189)
I made 280/273 @1.02bar, most I've heard from a OE TD04 is 310bhp stateside. I can imagine they are shifting a lot of warm air at this point.

They may make even more with other supporting mods but most WRX owners have changed up by 280bhp.

It's strange stepping up from a small turbo, with my TD04 I'd keep up with Audi RS4's to 70ish without launching but moving to the bigger TD05 I can't even keep up with 1.2 Corsas from the lights. If I launch it though it's a different story, I can't see any 01> STI south of 400bhp keeping up with me.

My sti did a 12.8 at 260 bhp ,your wrx only managed a 12.6 being lightened with an extra 70 bhp so this tale above is b0llocks

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11588190)
A 2009 car is the hatch so not sure how that's relevant given its got a different engine etc.
Anyway as I'm not at work this week I'm not getting paid to laugh at your sti envy so have fun trying to justify not having enough cash to be fast :)
Peace out homies!

The 2009 WRX tested was a Saloon, it beat the 6 speed STI with 40bhp less. If it'd had the 305bhp the STI had it would have beaten it badly.

TBH the JDM WRX had to eventually be detuned as STI drivers were complaining. All 2001 onwards WRX's released are 20% faster than the STI version, that means a 400bhp WRX lives with a 480bhp STI..

STI, what a disappointment now we know the truth. Still that box can safely handle the 430bhp you did a 12.8 with tom.

boosted 22 December 2014 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588189)
I made 280/273 @1.02bar, most I've heard from a OE TD04 is 310bhp stateside. I can imagine they are shifting a lot of warm air at this point.

They may make even more with other supporting mods but most WRX owners have changed up by 280bhp.

It's strange stepping up from a small turbo, with my TD04 I'd keep up with Audi RS4's to 70ish without launching but moving to the bigger TD05 I can't even keep up with 1.2 Corsas from the lights. If I launch it though it's a different story, I can't see any 01> STI south of 400bhp keeping up with me.

I think 1.02 bar is a bit too specific lol! Barometric pressure can vary +/- .05 bar.

fat-thomas 22 December 2014 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588212)
The 2009 WRX tested was a Saloon, it beat the 6 speed STI with 40bhp less. If it'd had the 305bhp the STI had it would have beaten it badly.

TBH the JDM WRX had to eventually be detuned as STI drivers were complaining. All 2001 onwards WRX's released are 20% faster than the STI version, that means a 400bhp WRX lives with a 480bhp STI..

STI, what a disappointment now we know the truth. Still that box can safely handle the 430bhp you did a 12.8 with tom.

Cool story bro.
Anyway merry Xmas cesspit and enjoy making up stuff to suit your sti envy
12.8 at at standard sti power as you well know!
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RS_Matt 22 December 2014 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by boosted (Post 11588219)
I think 1.02 bar is a bit too specific lol! Barometric pressure can vary +/- .05 bar.

Irony is I specifically asked for 1.4bar!

My car's 5th map finally got me close to it!!

boosted 22 December 2014 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588225)
Irony is I specifically asked for 1.4bar!

My car's 5th map finally got me close to it!!

How much £ per map? That's a lot of money!

mickywrx 22 December 2014 08:24 PM

TD05 16g, cheap and tough as old boots. :thumb:




< :D

RS_Matt 22 December 2014 10:49 PM

I'm already getting bored of my TD05, it's like the 6 speed, tough as hell but not enough power from it for the lag. Too quiet too. My TD04 was really whiny.

Seriously giving thought to a sc42 and aiming for 380/330.

taylor85 22 December 2014 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 11588482)
TD05 16g, cheap and tough as old boots. :thumb:




< :D

They dont seem to come up often at the minute , seen one for 200 tho

boosted 23 December 2014 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by taylor85 (Post 11588642)
They dont seem to come up often at the minute , seen one for 200 tho

Hmm, mine might be worth a bit of money then being converted to front entry already

mickywrx 23 December 2014 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11588616)
Seriously giving thought to a sc42 and aiming for 380/330.

20G will do that. SC42 is a 400+ turbo.

mickywrx 23 December 2014 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by taylor85 (Post 11588642)
They dont seem to come up often at the minute , seen one for 200 tho

Shouldn't really pay much more than 50-70 quid for a genuine 16g, IMO, they are 20 years old now. A little bit more if front entry converted.

boosted 23 December 2014 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 11589055)
Shouldn't really pay much more than 50-70 quid for a genuine 16g, IMO, they are 20 years old now. A little bit more if front entry converted.

Go find one then, then go find another front entry converted.
Good working order obviously

RS_Matt 23 December 2014 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 11589053)
20G will do that. SC42 is a 400+ turbo.

20G will be getting pushed too hard past 370bhp I can imagine. A few on here saying they got around 380bhp but from 1.55-1.7bar.

I want to hit 380 from around 1bar (1.2bar max) I want the turbo at peak efficiency and low torque. Will a TD06 20g do the job?


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