Do all New Age STIs have DCCD?
Or is it Blob onwards? Or even widetrack Blob onwards?
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Widetrack blob onwards (for uk cars) and WR1
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Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
(Post 11584467)
Or is it Blob onwards? Or even widetrack Blob onwards?
http://www.type-ra.com/impreza-model...php?query=dccd :thumb: |
Bloody *******s. Does that mean that STIs also are a 50/50 torque split upto DCCD cars?
How about JDMs, and can DCCD be fitted to a non DCCD car? |
Just buy a JDM, then you don't have to worry about these things.
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DCCD can be retrofitted but as Trinity says just buy a JDM Impreza
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I'm weighing things up.
Any tell tale signs on a new age that it's a JDM when looking at photos etc? I can live without DCCD if the car still has a more rear biased torque split in all honesty. The one shape I haven't yet owned is a Bug Eye.... |
a JDM blob/hawk - rear wiper. simples.
JDM Bug - Why? you dont get the twinscroll setup. Buy once , buy right. JDM Blob or Hawk. |
I don't want to push the budget that high so it won't be a JDM Blob or Hawk. Simple as that really. I'm just at that point with my Wagon where I either spend a lot of money modding further, or I buy an STI. I've pretty much decided that I want an STI again, but unless I wait another 6 months I won't be spending more than £7k.
And I don't have the patience to wait 6 months and not spend money on my wagon. It's a curse! |
Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
(Post 11584474)
Does that mean that STIs also are a 50/50 torque split upto DCCD cars?
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Originally Posted by Jay Cartay
(Post 11584509)
I don't want to push the budget that high so it won't be a JDM Blob or Hawk. Simple as that really. I'm just at that point with my Wagon where I either spend a lot of money modding further, or I buy an STI. I've pretty much decided that I want an STI again, but unless I wait another 6 months I won't be spending more than £7k.
And I don't have the patience to wait 6 months and not spend money on my wagon. It's a curse! We've seen so many people on here all buy a WRX then want an STI, or buying a UK car then wanting it to be a JDM :) |
Yeah I do get that.... I dunno. Need to think about it. I might say screw it and buy an M3 yet. I would prefer to stay Subaru though. I miss my old STI :(
I don't have 2.5 hang ups either as mine was one 125k and still going strong when I sold it. I don't really want to make an STI be anything else though. If I buy a non widetrack car, it won't kill me. I've got past all that these days, worrying about not having the very best thing available etc. |
It's snowing soon , great cars those bmw's in the snow.
Sounds like you have more thinking to do and more money to raise :) |
Originally Posted by JamesDundee
(Post 11584511)
60/40 as far as I was aware
Dialing in more DCCD lock does not direectly 'vary' the torque bias. What it does is prevent the front and rear from going different speeds and if there IS a speed difference, torque is transferred through the slip plates to the slow side to bring it up to the same speed as the faster side. The amount of torque transferred is dependent on two things: -the difference in traction(and speed) between front and rear -the amount of lock dialed in with the DCCD dial (or the amount commanded by the automatic mode). It is possible, under extreme conditions to have all the torque transferred to the front or the rear, but this does NOT mean what most might take it as. It means that if one side of the car has 0 traction, the other side of the car gets ALL the torque transferred to it. This is exactly how you want AWD to work and represents the state of the art in performance AWD systems. |
Originally Posted by boosted
(Post 11584548)
DCCD varies the slip limiting, which in turn varies the amount of torque that can be redistributed via the center diff. The native torque bias of the planetary gearset in the diff is 35f/65r (04 and 05) and 41f/59r (06+), and the only time you can really be sure exactly what the torque bias is would be when the DCCD is set to full OPEN, meaning no slip limiting and no torque transfer (note: the 06+ has an additional mechanical LSD in the center diff that cannot be turned off).
Dialing in more DCCD lock does not direectly 'vary' the torque bias. What it does is prevent the front and rear from going different speeds and if there IS a speed difference, torque is transferred through the slip plates to the slow side to bring it up to the same speed as the faster side. The amount of torque transferred is dependent on two things: -the difference in traction(and speed) between front and rear -the amount of lock dialed in with the DCCD dial (or the amount commanded by the automatic mode). It is possible, under extreme conditions to have all the torque transferred to the front or the rear, but this does NOT mean what most might take it as. It means that if one side of the car has 0 traction, the other side of the car gets ALL the torque transferred to it. This is exactly how you want AWD to work and represents the state of the art in performance AWD systems. This has baffled me, the center differential deals with torque split front/rear, you then have a front and rear diff that deal with cross axle torque, the dccd doesnt do that which reading this implies it does or did you miss a little bit out? Tony:) |
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
(Post 11584555)
:confused:
This has baffled me, the center differential deals with torque split front/rear, you then have a front and rear diff that deal with cross axle torque, the dccd doesnt do that which reading this implies it does or did you miss a little bit out? Tony:) Where did you read the DcCd transfers torque left to right? |
From what I read DCCD is a diff locking device, not a bias device. Hence you adjust it from fully open to fully closed (locked)
Power will always remain split in the same percentage front to back, unless traction is lost somewhere |
Originally Posted by Trinity
(Post 11584501)
a JDM blob/hawk - rear wiper. simples.
JDM Bug - Why? you dont get the twinscroll setup. Buy once , buy right. JDM Blob or Hawk. |
what's DCCD?
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Originally Posted by salsa-king
(Post 11584697)
what's DCCD?
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Driver Controlled Centre Dildo.
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Originally Posted by salsa-king
(Post 11584697)
what's DCCD?
In laymans terms it's an electronic centre diff instead of a viscous or torsen centre diff |
Didn't audi have a locking centre diff back in the 80's? (Yes)
That they superseded with a proper torsen diff like the one in my gearbox. I know it's not electronicly controlled, but does it need to be? Probably not, that's why the majority of AWD cars don't have one |
Originally Posted by boosted
(Post 11584564)
I can only cut and paste so much.
Where did you read the DcCd transfers torque left to right? |
Originally Posted by boosted
(Post 11584726)
Of you can't make it out from the description above then it's probably best not knowing.
In laymans terms it's an electronic centre diff instead of a viscous or torsen centre diff |
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
(Post 11584735)
Its actually both electrical and mechanical unlike vw's version for instance :)
Audi however use basically the same system As subaru in their a4/a6 type quattro system, centre diff like an impreza. |
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
(Post 11584734)
It doesnt it has a front LSD and a rear LSD for that, the 100% thing is also wrong, it should never give one axle all the torque hence you have a 35/65/f/r split, across axle yes, thats why you have the LSD's ;)
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Originally Posted by Trinity
(Post 11584501)
a JDM blob/hawk - rear wiper. simples.
JDM Bug - Why? you dont get the twinscroll setup. Buy once , buy right. JDM Blob or Hawk. A white spoilerless Bugeye STi Spec RA. |
Originally Posted by JamesDundee
(Post 11584511)
60/40 as far as I was aware
Asymetric AWD. Equal to all wheels until it goes wrong. |
Well the wife is on the same line of thought as me, either STI or M3 next.
If I go M3 I'll get an A4 Quattro as my next daily. If I go STI I'll go BMW as my next daily most likely. I've decided I will go wide track after all, but I'm not going to stretch to a JDM. Seen a nice Hawk STI and a couple of nice Blobs within budget. I like the Hawk best, but I do worry that eventually the engine may give me hassle. It's not enough of a worry to stop me buying one if I thought it was the right car though. |
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