Saturday was a record day for wind energy.
Nearly 20% of the UK energy supply came from wind power.
Well done guys. |
Originally Posted by paulr
(Post 11544810)
Nearly 20% of the UK energy supply came from wind power.
Well done guys. |
Yeah great news. So what about the other 364 days? There was some flowery dress wearing idiot on the radio celebrating the fact that wind generated more power than nuclear for the first time ever and then used the argument to shut down more coal and gas fuelled power stations, probably the nuclear ones too, but I didn't hear that bit as I'd smashed the radio up by that point.
How difficult is it to understand that we need alternatives for when the wind isn't blowing enough to generate anything like what would be a useful contribution towards the UK's energy needs? |
Woohoo, one of the 27% of days when they actually generate something. Shame about the other 73% though.....
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I don't think this thread is going the way he expected ;) :D
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Every sunday is good day for wind round ours, specially after all teh roast
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Coal powered wind turbines it's the way forward I tell you.
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There's hundreds of them windmills near us now...and it's got windier since they were built.
They attract the wind, I think, or they are acting like fans. Either way, there'll be trouble...... |
What they should do is put them all up North and fit huge scoops to the end of each blade, the rain will fill the sccops and spin the blades.. Sorted lol ;)
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Surely they would spin faster if they had painted stripes on the sides of them? :idea:
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11544841)
Woohoo, one of the 27% of days when they actually generate something. Shame about the other 73% though.....
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Bloody hell, a thread on SN with an actual consensus. :lol1:
Should i be concerned that I agree with warren on this one. :eek: |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11544947)
Bloody hell, a thread on SN with an actual consensus. :lol1:
Should i be concerned that I agree with warren on this one. :eek: |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11544825)
Great until you factor in the cost!
Gas and Coal are pretty cheap, but a finite resource Nuclear - do any cost comparisons factor in the astronomical decommissioning costs and apparently 50% of the Nuclear PowerStation's are temporarily shutdown |
The Germans have decided to shut ALL their nuclear stations.
And go back to...coal......you couldn't make it up. |
and haven't the French started to push Nuclear harder
no simple one size fits all answer |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11545082)
and haven't the French started to push Nuclear harder
no simple one size fits all answer Take the politics out of the equation and energy generation is simple. |
Aren't most 'coal' fired stations now running on biomass or 'waste to energy'? This seems like the most sensible idea.
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There's not enough ukip pamphlets in the world to keep them stoked
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11545088)
Take the politics out of the equation and energy generation is simple.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11544947)
Bloody hell, a thread on SN with an actual consensus. :lol1:
Should i be concerned that I agree with warren on this one. :eek: |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11545144)
what is it then?
As a side however, you would aim to have capacity to cover your max annual load (plus some redundancy) using larger plants such as goal/gas/nuclear. With something like pumped storage or smaller gas plants to cover any fast transients.
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11545211)
Don't worry, it gets easier over time! :thumb:
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11545223)
How much detail do you want and what's the base scenario? I.e. do EU CO2 regs matter?
. some regard to "green" issues - however you choose to interpret that -- CO2 targets!! possibly I have no fixed view btw - I suspect the info (pro or con a particular technology) I get is tainted by some agenda or another it is difficult to make an informed decision I do think the wind power milestone in the OP is a good news - whatever negative spin the rabid anti-green lobby may try and put on it |
This is such a non-story to me.
On one day with a bit of wind, they've finally done their job.....meanwhile during the times they weren't be it due to weather or nobody buying energy from them (as of course, with it being more expensive, energy retailers will only buy it if they are forced to by green levys), all the other not-so-green power stations have been chugging away day in day out meeting our needs. Bar the one that caught fire. Even then it was blown out of proportion, it going off line was never an issue...and only four cooling of the thirty towers were damaged. :rolleyes: I'm not against renewables, but I really think wind farms are not the answer. Solar, tidle, hydroelectric storage (pumped reservoirs)....and nuclear needs more focus IMO ;) |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11545247)
This is such a non-story to me.
On one day with a bit of wind, they've finally done their job.....meanwhile during the times they weren't be it due to weather or nobody buying energy from them (as of course, with it being more expensive, energy retailers will only buy it if they are forced to by green levys), all the other not-so-green power stations have been chugging away day in day out meeting our needs. Bar the one that caught fire. Even then it was blown out of proportion, it going off line was never an issue...and only four cooling of the thirty towers were damaged. :rolleyes: I'm not against renewables, but I really think wind farms are not the answer. Solar, tidle, hydroelectric storage (pumped reservoirs)....and nuclear needs more focus IMO ;) |
I'm sure I heard something along the lines of that the renewable companies were actually being paid to dump some of the energy they'd amassed (dunno how), cos if they introduced it all to the national grid it would overload it?
Dunno if it's true or not though. |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11545233)
well in enough detail to demonstrate you understand the context that the production of energy exist in
some regard to "green" issues - however you choose to interpret that -- CO2 targets!! possibly I have no fixed view btw - I suspect the info (pro or con a particular technology) I get is tainted by some agenda or another it is difficult to make an informed decision I do think the wind power milestone in the OP is a good news - whatever negative spin the rabid anti-green lobby may try and put on it My personal feeling however is that wind and solar have been over subsidised given the current technology. They really require a suitable energy storage scheme to be in place before they reach there true potential as green energy sources. |
I was told the UK is sitting on a whole raft of coal.Easily enough for +200 years.
Just need a bit of imagination to make good use of it. |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11545313)
To be honest to do the discussion justice requires far more time and space than we have available here (having written a fairly lengthy paper on the subject at Uni).
My personal feeling however is that wind and solar have been over subsidised given the current technology. They really require a suitable energy storage scheme to be in place before they reach there true potential as green energy sources. but again nuclear is massively subsidised - it is just easier to hide at the backend |
Originally Posted by legb4rsk
(Post 11545314)
I was told the UK is sitting on a whole raft of coal.Easily enough for +200 years.
Just need a bit of imagination to make good use of it. |
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