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Jayjay100 03 October 2014 10:02 PM

Esl needed
 
Am looking for a esl for my 1994 L reg wrx any one have one for sale.

piehole1983 04 October 2014 09:58 AM

Used ones go for the same and sometimes more than new ones. Go to www.enduringsolutions.com and have a look at the prices. I have it, can't recommend them enough. I'm sure Andy Stevens will be along soon :)

*matthewturb2000* 04 October 2014 10:35 AM

Picked my esl up yesterday for 220 with a map on it for td05, need to tweek it for my spec and swap the board out of the ecu into mine

Andy Stevens 04 October 2014 01:33 PM

The whole tweak thing isn't true. If the board goes in a different car then you will be looking at a complete remap.

It costs more to get a secondhand one remapped as the distributor will have to charge the board trade price difference on top of the normal mapping fee.

It's often more expensive to buy secondhand and you won't have the warranty etc.

bustaMOVEs 04 October 2014 02:08 PM

Andy I've looked at the prices of esl and they are £295 but what's the tax all about at checkout as that bumps the price up? Is that what we will pay in the end?

Andy Stevens 04 October 2014 03:14 PM

It's £295 + 20% VAT if in the UK. If you are buying as a VAT registered business then it can be reclaimed, a full VAT invoice is issued.

If in the EU and you can provide a valid EU VAT number there is no tax.

No tax to the rest of the world, although there may be import duties to pay depending on where it is going.

Our turnover is way over the VAT threshold so have no choice but to charge it to domestic customers I'm afraid.

I always try to help as much as I can as I know owning a modified scooby isn't cheap, so we run deals like discounting the cable dongle and software by 50% when purchased with a board, and offering a discount on the Motorsports package etc etc.

Best to PM me if you want one and I'll sort out the best deal possible.

Cheers

Andy

bustaMOVEs 04 October 2014 03:25 PM

Ah no problems, it's just it said 'approx tax' rather than say 'vat' that confused me.

I'll contact you in near future for one, was just window shopping.

Andy Stevens 04 October 2014 03:39 PM

No worries, I'm here if you need me.

*matthewturb2000* 04 October 2014 04:29 PM

So your saying my second hand esl is going to be greif unless I map myself

piehole1983 04 October 2014 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by *matthewturb2000* (Post 11530575)
So your saying my second hand esl is going to be greif unless I map myself

Potentially yes, totally different car!

*matthewturb2000* 04 October 2014 05:25 PM

It 97/98 esl my wrx 97....

piehole1983 04 October 2014 05:28 PM

I just mean the hardware of each car might be different, turbo, injectors etc.

*matthewturb2000* 04 October 2014 05:35 PM

Only difference was td05 and fmic, mine vf22 and tmic but I have a fmic kit in garage, I may have to get the cable aswell I've been looking at a few screen shots of the maps but all looks rather confusing to me

Jayjay100 05 October 2014 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Stevens (Post 11530551)
No worries, I'm here if you need me.

I will be contacting you very soon . I have been looking at prices around £800.
Thank you to all of you for you help

Jayjay100 05 October 2014 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by piehole1983 (Post 11530378)
Used ones go for the same and sometimes more than new ones. Go to www.enduringsolutions.com and have a look at the prices. I have it, can't recommend them enough. I'm sure Andy Stevens will be along soon :)

Thank u for that link nice1

Andy Stevens 05 October 2014 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jayjay100 (Post 11530871)
I will be contacting you very soon . I have been looking at prices around £800.
Thank you to all of you for you help

You can pay me £800 if you want bu the RRP is £295+VAT.

piehole1983 05 October 2014 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Andy Stevens (Post 11531439)
You can pay me £800 if you want bu the RRP is £295+VAT.

He can pay me £800 and I'll sell mine already fitted to my ECU and I'll buy another new one from you Andy lol

Jayjay100 06 October 2014 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by piehole1983 (Post 11531487)
He can pay me £800 and I'll sell mine already fitted to my ECU and I'll buy another new one from you Andy lol

Lol . Thank but I go for the cheeper opp.
Will be in contact. nice one

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 10:52 AM

What do I do then......

piehole1983 06 October 2014 10:59 AM

Personally if have it checked over by someone who has the software and cable and knows what they're doing.

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 11:06 AM

I haven't got/had it plugged in yet, I was going to send it off to have the board took out the uk ecu and put in my 1s and rest to standard, then was gonna take it to have mapped, where did you start reading up on the esl system and how to use it,it a shame you don't live nearer to me lol,
Andy why would I have to pay the mapper extra, you said it's the price of the map + trade price of the board? Could you break down the pricing please

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 11:09 AM

I'm thinking now to get the cable and map myself, I have no knowledge of ecu workings or mapping so a lot of reading/learning before I start,and where do I start...

piehole1983 06 October 2014 11:37 AM

I think if Andy could fit it in, you should send both ECUs off to Andy and let him remove and reinstall to the other ECU and flash it with a standard 1S map. If I remember right Andy charges £25 to install a new ESL board to an ECU so maybe it'll be about £50 to have your work completed.

piehole1983 06 October 2014 11:40 AM

My friend John who owns East Coast customs here in Northern Ireland told me about ESL and advised it was the best way to go for my 97 UK turbo. After that I googled it and came across this forum and ESLs website. Once I had talked to Andy a bit I just stuck the order in and read the user manual for the software. That's what I'd advise you to do for now and decide if it's gonna be something you'll be comfortable with. It's not for faint hearted! Link to user manual:

http://www.enduringsolutions.com/wp-.../04/Manual.pdf

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 12:38 PM

yea i messaged andy cuple week before i got the board, and yea swap board to mine and reset,but the thing is ive got a v2 sti cdb longblock in my 97 using my 97 sensors ecu everything, so if i had it reset and flashed to my 1s it still may not run right obv the cams will be different,so would i get it flashed to my 1s or whatevers in the v2 sti which i know is 4 plug mine is 3, i enjoy tinkering with the car but eager to lean bout the ecu as it would save alot in the long run+ i think img going to need a map thats had a lot of fiddling because of the engine ?

Jayjay100 06 October 2014 05:48 PM

matthewturb2000 I hope you get it sorted in the end mate . You say you was going to read about mapping and do it your self . Go for it how hard can it be if you have done your homework. But I got to say it's not something I would do myself, but that's me . If you think you can then y not . You could start up your own mobile mapping lol.

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 06:35 PM

i doubt il do that jay lol, ive read through it once understand some of it, the installaition guide is written in a way thats to advanced for me if that makes sense,it tells you how to and where but it doesnt explain what the values actorly mean/do,you change this one what it does to that one and what effect it has, if that makes sense (im on about the grid boxs red/green with the numbers in)

*matthewturb2000* 06 October 2014 06:36 PM

o far from sorted

Jayjay100 06 October 2014 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by *matthewturb2000* (Post 11531997)
i doubt il do that jay lol, ive read through it once understand some of it, the installaition guide is written in a way thats to advanced for me if that makes sense,it tells you how to and where but it doesnt explain what the values actorly mean/do,you change this one what it does to that one and what effect it has, if that makes sense (im on about the grid boxs red/green with the numbers in)

Yer what up put makes sense. I've looked into it myself and it blowed my mind.
I would leave it to the pro's

Jayjay100 06 October 2014 06:42 PM

I think they make it hard so we have to pay them. Let's face it all upgrades or most needs mapping after. It's a joke .


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