Paypal card reader
 

Just pay with cash if collecting parts

But some people don't have the cash and want to use there credit cards, so may pick a trader who excepts cards

anybody can have one of those by converting you account to a premium account...then you ring up a bedroom ebay seller and give him all your card details inc you cvc number and address and name....

here comes the next level of scamming...

Its mean't for face to face transactions, you need the card to input it into the reader, that is connected to your phone by wireless. Using the paypal app on your phone.

To be honest i think it looks like something someone has made themselves

Learn before speaking.

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/credit-card-reader

keyed transactions ;)

I have one , manual input is possible.

No different to any other credit card transaction. I fail to see the problem. I know more than one business that use that system successfully. The usual credit card protections are still in place.

Xline you really do make this easy.

To have keyed credit card transactions you have to have a merchant bank account. This is a level of security, a bedroom ebayer seller cant have one of these, really..without being properly registered or jumping through more hoops than PayPal require.

The point is, that my comment about the future of ebay scamming is, that ANYONE can have one of these, and the so called ebay stores, which are boys selling items out of their mums spare room can have all your details. They easily make purchases with there details by using them online or ringing up to place orders and asking for alternative delivery address's.

As PayPal is the preferred ebay payment system (hence destroying your counter device Xline), this opens up the doors to many scams from people buying on ebay, the ringing up with their card details to be manually keyed.

As my comment was about Ebay, bieng that PayPal is an eBay company and eBays preferred, almost only method of payment, this is the point.

If you dont think its a problem Xline - tell you what ill sell you one of my Genome exhausts for 1p, you ring me up with your card details - and then lets see what I do from then on ;) (granted this is hypothetical as it would be theft and from the mentally handicapped making it far worse) but would be an interesting point :)

duh. Jesus, you really arent that bright.

The scam is by using your card details you just gave me, elsewhere, nothing to do with payPal.

"Hey Trinity heres my card details, address and cvc number"

"Thanks"

"Hi Dixons Online, Im Trinity, im buying a Macbook with these card details, heres my address and here is where i want it delivered"

Granted, credit cards will refund fraud, but banks and debit cards are a lot harder.

I know you are getting on a bit dude, so im happy yo educate you in terms of technology and such, just drop me a PM, £50 an hour lesson ;)

Bless you.

If thats the case, i'll charge you my standard day rate of £500 to come and help you out, give me a shout if you need it, got a few free days this month:thumb:

Yep 3DS is good, but not everyone has it yet, and it isnt needed on phone keyed transactions, so until this is all addressed, then the new scam will continue. If you want to wake up to an empty bank account, your direct debits failing and having aLL that hassle to deal with to eventually get your money back...they I guess, there isn't a problem with it all as you say.

Me personally? much better things to do with my time and plenty of world problems to worry more about:lol1:

The scam is not new, but it is opening it up to a whole new market, which , the point of my thread (which you missed multiple times), the

BEDROOM SELLERS on EBAY

Whereas you may not use ebay and are cautious, many are not, there are plenty of bedroom sellers on ebay racking up huge sales per day. Not all of them are going to be trustworthy, especially as those details will sell for a lot to the right person. A friend of mine sells from his garage, and he gets people wanting to pay over the phone all the time.

Granted if wouldn't take long for a link to made if the person is continually doing it, but you can set up ebay account for the sole purpose of payments over the phones, then disapear, and none of those ebay details need to be real, if you know what you are doing.

Also PayPal do not require a name on the bank account attached (VBA's even better)nor a real card, VCC's are perfect for that, it is VERY easy to have a stealth paypal account. Im not going to explain this to you as you won't be able to understand all the intricacies of it all - but if thats your job might be worth looking into it...no wonder fraud is still so easy and ever prevalent!

You do know the card reader doesn't store card details at all, neither does the iphone connected to it, so unless you write down the card number in front of the customer along with their 3 numbers on the back oh and have their address as well which they don't give you when paying by paypal here machine and iphone...................

lots of scaremongering not really needed

they do a job for small businesses simples.

We prefer our card machine supplied by cardsave lots of cheaper rates available and fully PCI complaint :)

Yes of course the scammer will write down all the info in pen and ink when given them on the phone as the reader dosent hold the info - scammers will know how it all works!, and they will need the cvc and the address to send the item what the customer are paying for.

You are a legit business Darrell, many aren't, this isnt scaremongering, this is reality as fraud and scamming as we know is massively on the rise and I think this is shown by the niavity of some peeps and the comments. Ah well, can't say I didn't warn y'all.

That is a valid point, i'll give you that, but it dosent take much to take an account from nothing to full power selling with very little effort when you know what you are doing. You don't even need to physically sell anything....but again, its a whole other world and one kept for another thread probably not on this forum.

I'll let you have that one ;)

They don't do customer not present transactions. It has to have the card inserted to process. !

Maybe there are two types?

What do mean by that trinity, you've lost me?

As this device needs you and your card to be present before will work?

When I bought my car I actually paid the guy via PayPal from my phone. I must admit, it was very weird buying a car and no cash changing hands!

When i looked at the paypal here machine/reader when it first was advertised it couldn't do customer not present transactions.

Maybe it now can.

But realistically its no different to the card machines shops use. It does a job same as them and if shop ones are hacked and modified then money card details can be taken just the same.

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...language=en-gb

Just checked and you can do customer not present transactions with it.

Well found, looks like you can then. Typical a PayPal Moderator not knowing how there own devices work.


Only problem i have is it looks cheap and fake, and doing it though someones phone just seems very dodgy. Were use to seeing machines look like this (picture below) Looks professional, i know this can be chipped and modified for fraud, but i just feel having your card reader run though a phone has the potential to make fraud more easier.

http://images.pitchero.com/ui/280126/1322070079_0.jpg

and back to my initial point, the new world of eBay scamming will soon be unleashed :)

You really can't be as stupid as you make out dude.

Yes, a scammer will pay an outlay to get a return, thats how scams work sometimes.

If buying through Ebay why would you ever give anyone your credit card details? Just use the system in place Paypal.

You REALLY are that stupid. Bless you. So up to now, you have not understood any of this thread at all, and admitted that you would'nt mind having your bank account raped (ALL THAT HASSLE) because 'you'll get it back from the bank'.

You do not grasp the concept of what has been explained to you whatsoever, its actually kinda funny to be honest. I guess its what happens when you get on a bit. But its good im here to help you out!

Once again - bedroom sellers, i.e ANYONE can now how a machine that takes credit card payments over the phone. Therefore people give all their details to this person, and then that person can do whatever they wish with the details. Sell them on to people who make replica cards, use them to purchase goods...there are so many possibiilites.

No scaremongering, just educating.

And not everyone has a dodgy bloke down the pub who can magic a card reader out of thin air, however the Paypal one, AGAIN, is accessible to anyone.

If you wish to not listen, then that is your call, but considering your supposed job, I think you should, as I said, give me a call, i'll happy put a day in to teach you old boys a few things.

Enjoy your trolling (300 of your posts are just that) , my work here is done :)

I agree, but not everyone has PayPal accounts, or have been banned from PayPal or need to not use there stealth paypal accounts as they need it delivering to their home address..eg my pal gets calls for over the phone credit card payments all the time for ebay items. Just an example. Many other reasons.

Oh dear. :facepalm2: There just aren't any other words or expressions for it.

Send me a PM when you need some help on a job, i'll fit you in

Enjoy your day :thumb:

Trinity i think what Xline is saying is, that receiving card payments over the phone is though paypal app, not the card reader.

And Xline, Trinity is i think just referring to the whole thing as being dodgy receiving card details false stop, hope i've got that right

Well it is bring card readers to the masses, i know anyone can get a card reader if they pay for it, but on found that out though looking into it for someone. Didn't know they were as easy as they are to get. But now paypal are advertising these readers, plus i'm sure someone is out there trying to make a fake app that will etc that will help people clone cards etc


I always pay with credit card anyway, as i believe your more protected than debit card, so if i do get scammed, it wouldn't worry me credit card will sort it.