Apexi power fc ecu
Been looking into buying a apexi power fc ecu for my 1998 turbo classic
Just got few questions if i bought one for v3-v4 if it was used on a JDM model can it be used on a UK model with remap of course? |
with a remap would be fine. andy stevens is a member here pm him to know for sure bud.
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i think so but you might have to swap a wire or two but why not get an esl, alot better tbh. i had a powerfc and went to an esl, better idle, knock control,twin maps and lots more
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Where is ESL?
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Yea looked into esl, but thought if can buy complete ecu for around same price as esl, as esl needs wiring in, which costs extra if Andy does it, think need send off my ecu to keep it coded to keys aswell. Not sure just thinking of options.
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im getting esl and apexi mixed up lol. andy stevens deals with esl if thats a route your considering. the apexi could be reset but the base map is for 99 ron jap fuel im sure so would def need mapped.
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Talk to whoever is going to map it. Mine didn't have an immobiliser so it the ecu was just swapped over then mapped.
Powerfc was alright in its day but a bit old and basic now. |
Ive got the apexi FC ecu fitted to my v5 sti wagon, it was fitted before i got the car and has been a great ecu, runing 375/352
I will be having this removed next month as im having a dccd 6 speed set up and Alcatek ecu fitted :) |
Originally Posted by jaygsi
(Post 11481685)
Yea looked into esl, but thought if can buy complete ecu for around same price as esl, as esl needs wiring in, which costs extra if Andy does it, think need send off my ecu to keep it coded to keys aswell. Not sure just thinking of options.
i think the price for having a esl soldered in is not worth worrying about when it offers so much more for comparable or even less money than some jokers are selling apexi's for on ebay, unless the apexi is cheap and i mean really cheap i wouldn't bother, as for immobiliser i believe that can retained with the esl or tuned off. |
Yes Andy said he could retain it but would need ECU, as most people turn it off, which seems odd, prefer to know my scooby extra secure
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Originally Posted by jaygsi
(Post 11482467)
Yes Andy said he could retain it but would need ECU, as most people turn it off, which seems odd, prefer to know my scooby extra secure
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The Apexi doesn't have an immobiliser, ESL can retain it but most people don't have it and it was only on UK models.
A secondhand Apexi will come without warranty or support and people often advertise them at more than a new ESL board. ESL installation on a 97/8 is £25+VAT. The Apexi PFC also requires an AVCR for proper boost control. THe AVCR on it's own is more than an ESL board. Advantages of an ESL board over the Apexi include but are not limited to MAFless load, knock control, twin maps, diagnostics, 3d boost control and with the motorsports pack Anti Lag, Traction Control, Launch Control and Flat Foot Shifting. The ESL also comes with OEM maps installed so you can run it without any problem prior to mapping. |
Forgot to answer your original question. You would need to rewire cam, crank and fuel pump inputs on the Apexi. You don't have to do this with ESL.
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Lol well answered, so if i sent me ecu to you, you could retain imobliser, wire esl up for me, and add 2 OEM maps?
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Cant beat ESL, And Andy is a guru I'm sure will help out with any questions!! Very hard to beat.
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I nearly went the pfc route but opted for the esl instead. Did the board install myself and have mapped it too. Small adjustments over time, taking logs as I gol
You just need a wideband and det cans. Oh, and a boat load of reading and fidling. Good fun btw. |
Originally Posted by Welloilbeefhooked
(Post 11484829)
I nearly went the pfc route but opted for the esl instead. Did the board install myself and have mapped it too. Small adjustments over time, taking logs as I gol
Just need a wideband and det cans. Oh, and a boat load of reading and fidling. Good fun btw. Am i right in thinking that the esl has knock detection onboard and any knocks and dets would be logged with the software? There are some good online guides on making a pair of det cans or will you be going for the electronic ones? |
You shouldnt map without wideband and detcans really.Dont think you can beat the good old tried and tested Det cans, a length of hose, ear defenders and a copper tube at the end to connect to engine block, i toyed with the idea of electronic det cans but alot reported back interference and the hose method i think is easier to make.
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Originally Posted by The Rig
(Post 11484842)
You shouldnt map without wideband and detcans really.Dont think you can beat the good old tried and tested Det cans, a length of hose, ear defenders and a copper tube at the end to connect to engine block, i toyed with the idea of electronic det cans but alot reported back interference and the hose method i think is easier to make.
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I have mechanical det cans as rig has suggested above. There are quiet a few wideband o2 kits out there but I use the innovate lc-2 with gauge. Cost £150 del.
You really need one that you can log from as gauge watching whilst mapping isn't advisable. As a diy mapper its all about small changes, logging data and analysing it, and making more small changes. The best option for anyone worried about damaging their engine or not wanting to spend hours on end reading up and playing with the software is to have it mapped professionally. |
Originally Posted by Welloilbeefhooked
(Post 11484914)
The best option for anyone worried about damaging their engine or not wanting to spend hours on end reading up and playing with the software is to have it mapped professionally. Do you know if the esl software runs ok on windows xp or will I need to update? |
I run it on xp and 8 with no issues
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wideband and detcans mean nothing to me so guessing should get a mapper to do it
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Originally Posted by jaygsi
(Post 11485114)
wideband and detcans mean nothing to me so guessing should get a mapper to do it
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Originally Posted by ossett2k2
(Post 11484832)
As I know you are one of the successful DIY mappers your posts are ones I like to keep an eye on(not in a stalking way lol) I wasn't 100% sure you were able to map without a wideband or det cans,this is good news and means I will be mapping sooner than I thought :)
Am i right in thinking that the esl has knock detection onboard and any knocks and dets would be logged with the software? There are some good online guides on making a pair of det cans or will you be going for the electronic ones? |
Originally Posted by Welloilbeefhooked
(Post 11485310)
Successful? I would reserve that until I have got it right and NOT blown my engine!
And the rig's thread which I have followed from the start and actually got me thinking about self mapping :thumb: |
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