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JGlanzaV 10 May 2014 01:50 PM

EJ20 Strokered to 2.3
 
How is this done? As the kit says it has 96mm pistons but I thought the maximum size for an ej20 was 92.5?

I presume the block would need boring and sleeving? Could this be done on a CDB?

Has anyone ever run one of these kits? If so is there a linkt o any information on it?

Thanks

Alan Jeffery 10 May 2014 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11425118)
How is this done? As the kit says it has 96mm pistons but I thought the maximum size for an ej20 was 92.5?

I presume the block would need boring and sleeving? Could this be done on a CDB?

Has anyone ever run one of these kits? If so is there a linkt o any information on it?

Thanks

I don't know the kit you're referring to but it sounds like reinventing the wheel. Why do all that when there are EJ22 blocks available?

JGlanzaV 10 May 2014 02:14 PM

Its just something I have found while boredom internet searching and was wondering if it was a viable alternative to an ej22? I presume sleeving etc isnt cheap?

I was actually looking at cams and what not for my current set up and got distracted hah.

http://www.briancrower.com/makes/sub..._stroker.shtml

stonejedi 10 May 2014 03:48 PM

I know they do alot of those builds on nasioc have a look on there.SJ.

Kwik 10 May 2014 06:06 PM

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sani555 10 May 2014 07:26 PM

It looks like they're really using 96mm pistons,
when you calculate displacement (just for stroke) for 75mm and 79mm stroke it matches OK
96mm pistons with 75mm stroke is 2171cc
96mm pistons with 79mm stroke is 2287cc

Or did I go wrong somewhere:wonder:

JGlanzaV 10 May 2014 09:03 PM

I dont know to be honest, I would presume that they have worked it out to be able to advertise it as such?

What are the costs involved in putting liners in? Is it prohibitively expensive ocmpared to a ej22?

bigarf 11 May 2014 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11425438)
I dont know to be honest, I would presume that they have worked it out to be able to advertise it as such?

What are the costs involved in putting liners in? Is it prohibitively expensive ocmpared to a ej22?

to buy a 2.0l cdb then have it fitted with new liners will cost as much as buying a 2.2l block.then you have the chance of the new liners settling and having to strip the motor down again.or even worse,if you take the block to chy at pennine Subaru for your liners fitting,he will fit the liners at a 45deg angle so your pistons will be going up an down sideways:D

Kwik 11 May 2014 07:52 AM

I thought the latest idea was a "de-strokered" 2.5 block using a 2l crank?

JGlanzaV 11 May 2014 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by bigarf (Post 11425658)
to buy a 2.0l cdb then have it fitted with new liners will cost as much as buying a 2.2l block.then you have the chance of the new liners settling and having to strip the motor down again.or even worse,if you take the block to chy at pennine Subaru for your liners fitting,he will fit the liners at a 45deg angle so your pistons will be going up an down sideways:D

LOL! :lol:

I think ill give him a miss then haha! I already have a 2.0 CDB hence I was wondering on the cost of this compared to buying a new ej22 and doing it that way!


Originally Posted by Kwik (Post 11425659)
I thought the latest idea was a "de-strokered" 2.5 block using a 2l crank?

Ive never heard of that, what is the point in that?!

Kwik 11 May 2014 08:29 AM

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...roker-kit.html

JGlanzaV 11 May 2014 08:42 AM

So you decrease the capacity of the 2.5, but still machine it to CDB etc, If you are doing the CDB conversion etc, why are you running less capacity?

Kwik 11 May 2014 08:54 AM

I couldn't get my head around it either lol. I don't think the bore changes, the stroke goes down from the less throw of the 2l crank. I can't remember the exact figures but 75mm x 99.5mm bore = 2333cc.

JGlanzaV 11 May 2014 09:47 AM

Yeah I understand that, but the reason of doing the CDB inserts etc, is because the 2.5block is crap etc, so if you have done that, the 2.5 block is no longer the weak point so you might aswell run the 2.5?!

Kwik 11 May 2014 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11425725)
Yeah I understand that, but the reason of doing the CDB inserts etc, is because the 2.5block is crap etc, so if you have done that, the 2.5 block is no longer the weak point so you might aswell run the 2.5?!

That was my thinking. People were saying it was cheaper than the 2.3, but I couldn't see how there would be a vast difference. People were saying it had lots of torque but I thought that was the advantage of the 2.5.

JGlanzaV 11 May 2014 11:51 AM

I just dont see how that works in the slightest! It makes no sense, so if someone wants to elaborate! (Alan?)

Yes bore and sleeve a CDB ej20 to 2.3 will give you a definite increase in torque and power etc. But downsizing a 2.5 should surely decrease the above? To which the point of all this work is surely to get MORE?

Kwik 11 May 2014 01:04 PM

Faster rev's is maybe the reasoning behind it.

300gnspitzer 11 May 2014 08:04 PM

Higher rev limit, with lower piston speed maybe

JGlanzaV 12 May 2014 08:49 AM

Id like someone to confirm for sure as i cant get my head around it!

veerinder9 12 May 2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11426456)
Id like someone to confirm for sure as i cant get my head around it!

I asked about this as I wanted to go down the 2.35 route aswel for next year and apparently it works out cheaper than buying the 2.2 block. Its basically to have more rev range

JGlanzaV 12 May 2014 09:13 AM

so it will rev higher than the ej25?

veerinder9 12 May 2014 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by JGlanzaV (Post 11426470)
so it will rev higher than the ej25?

Yes :)

wms-racing 12 May 2014 10:00 AM

Ive built a 2.0 with a 83mm stoke crank to give 2.25 :-)

veerinder9 12 May 2014 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by wms-racing (Post 11426500)
Ive built a 2.0 with a 83mm stoke crank to give 2.25 :-)

How did you do that? What pistons etc

wms-racing 12 May 2014 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by veerinder9 (Post 11426501)
How did you do that? What pistons etc

Thats not for sharing sorry, I'll build you one if you want :norty:

veerinder9 12 May 2014 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by wms-racing (Post 11426506)
Thats not for sharing sorry, I'll build you one if you want :norty:

Lool pm me details for a scd block supplied by me

JGlanzaV 12 May 2014 10:24 AM

I would also be interested in the specs...

Fat Boy 12 May 2014 10:49 AM

Just about all the built 2.3's in the US appear to be destroked pinned semi CDB 2.5's, but I don't see the point as the upstroked 2.2 will rev every bit as much, but has the advantage of the much stronger 2.2 CDB.

It's interesting how the different approaches become the accepted norm so quickly either side of the Atlantic e.g. they swear by liners, whereas my instinctive reaction is that I associate liners with dropping, no matter how well they are done.

JGlanzaV 12 May 2014 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Fat Boy (Post 11426530)
Just about all the built 2.3's in the US appear to be destroked pinned semi CDB 2.5's, but I don't see the point as the upstroked 2.2 will rev every bit as much, but has the advantage of the much stronger 2.2 CDB.

It's interesting how the different approaches become the accepted norm so quickly either side of the Atlantic e.g. they swear by liners, whereas my instinctive reaction is that I associate liners with dropping, no matter how well they are done.

I dont understand how a liner can "drop". Im gonna google it, personally I dont see how they can be any less reliable?

We are talking about a CDB EJ20 stroked to 2.3 though ;)

mazmike 12 May 2014 05:48 PM

i have had a 2.0 cdb with new liners fitted and been told it will be fine .so its all about having the job done right https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/...05617700_n.jpg


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