please explain why anyone WORKING would vote labour when they want unlimited immigration, ? i could understand a labour vote if you where unemployed that would almost guarantee never being able to find a job with all the immies

corbyn's new theme tune

May is promising you an even more massaged view my goodness

I have known that for the last 40 years - ever since I was conscious of right and wrong

I actually remember asking my RE teacher if he thought Jesus was a Socialist - I was 10

and he didn't - lol

looking through my old posts just now with the search "tories" was interesting

I was reminded of a post I made about Kinnocks famous 1983 - "I warn you." speech, wow what an amazing speech that was

I also started a thread, way back in 2009 entitled "Tories first policy statement"

it was obviously to hammer those on benefits and the disabled

just the other day Dominic Rabb explained Food banks away with the observation it was simply a "cash flow issue", and that was after May said the reason they exist are "complicated"

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

but by and large the people get the government they deserve

all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds after all

Panglossian hogwash. ;)

indeed

:lol1:

Watching David Davis on Question Time, this guy is supposed to be our chief negotiator. He's a complete fantasist.
His whole argument seems to be predicated on us being able to make up for lost trade with the EU by striking great trade deals elsewhere.
So he accepts that we're going to end up with a worse trade position with the EU, yet has absolutely no coherent proposition for HOW EXACTLY we are going to do all these great trade deals.

That idiot is going to get murdered in these negotiations.

It's just political dogma, nothing to do with economics

No they don't. They are just too f,ucking stupid to understand. A benign oligarchy would be ideal but completely unrealistic of course, and The Daily Mail would explode.

David

And Jesus would have been in the socialist camp.

Your whole political outlook seems to be defined by your xenophobia. I admire anyone who has the courage to up-sticks and move to a country that affords greater opportunity and I'm proud that this country welcomes them. This does not mean I condone the import of dangerous ideologies (think Salafism), nor does it mean I approve of the segregation that these ideologies breed, however we're a generous, inclusive, neighbourly country who chooses not to deny the many because of the few. The issue of radical Islamism is a global phenomenon and will absolutely not be solved by Britain adopting an isolationist position.

Corbyn, imperfect as the rest of us, will prove and has proven to be on the right side of history on most key issues. He cares about people and, as far as I can tell, places their wellbeing above that of big business. The same cannot be said, with any degree of credibility, about his opposite number.

The way its going looks like Theresa May will gloriously manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.... from a 21 point lead to a 3 point lead.... hung parliament?, coalition?

This could go down in history as the greatest campaign fcuk up ever......

Not helped by 'Anything you want, It's all Free' Corbyn and automatic social media bots trotting out endless Pro-Labour soundbites and false reporting.... technology is having a massive effect on the campaigns at the moment...

Corbyn doesn't claim anything to be free, he endorses redistribution of wealth and so do I. I'd be better off financially under a Tory government, but most people will be better off with Corbyn at the helm. 'For the many, not the few' might sound like a throwaway statement, but actually it's a principle I can support.

You really must have something wrong with you if you believe taxes should not rise , across the board , to fund future nhs .

Or sell chunks of the service off to big business.

The problem is people tend to want other peoples 'wealth' redistributed not their own!

That's because we're selfish to the core, looking in, not up!

Indeed, however we shouldn't just keep expecting the same group of people to keep paying more and more tax.


Broadly if you're earning £80k a year, then you're already paying an eye watering amount of tax.


If people are concerned about the state of their public services then they should be prepared to pay more themselves, not just expect someone else to pay for it on their behalf. That way everyone has a stake in it, and you never know, people might then challenge how the money is spent, not just how much is spent?

Yes, I hear you. I'm currently sat in Subway watching fiver after fiver of predominately working class money being thrown in the till. I wonder how many takeaways we'd be prepared to give up to ensure the future of sustainable universal healthcare.

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." ;)

To borrow a headline from The Daily Mash, "magic money tree false, but enchanted brexit fountain real."

Remember that one day you might have dementia and then your childrens inheritance will be going to the conservative government and indeed your parents inheritance to you and that through your working life and your parents and grandparents have already paid taxes for care,nhs etc.

Well that happens now and has happened with past governments. My wife's grand parents have gone to a care home and they have to sell their home to pay for their care. Current rules only leaves them with £23,250, the Tories will leave them £100,000 of to pass on. All Governments give with one hand and take from the other.

You do realise this policy has already been in place for the best part of 7 years in its current form.

If your local care authority deam you unfit and need to be in a care home, they have the powers to review you finances, including assets (that includes your house) and if it's above £23k they will use that to fund your care home fees. This is now. And has been like this for quite some time. Only until you drop down to £14K in funds will you get totally free care. The £14k is basically there to pay for your funeral, not for your kids!

I find it strange the media have jumped on this now as it's pretty old news; if you have a house and go into care... If can be sold by the LCA to fund your care.

There were/are loop holes to avoid this, which most savvy people exploit; Rightly or wrongly.

I thought the choice at the last election was pretty shoddy, but this election OMG!!


Listening to May and Corbyn tonight makes me feel pretty desperate.


There is absolutely no substance to May or anything she says. 'Strong and stable'? Really? When is she going to tell us what she actually thinks, rather than a load of worn out sound bites? She's hopeless!


And Corbyn is a disaster waiting to happen. He doesn't even appear to really like this country.


How the hell did it come to this?

Mrs has just been through this with her father and his 1st / 3rd wife (remarried 30yrs later) £200k odd house, Accountants pension and head mistresses Pension as well as life savings down the toilet for the most part, gave a few quid to grand kids £2k each about 10yrs ago and that was that.

Should have put the house in their kids name at the same time instead of thinking they were going to live forever... mind you both made it to early nineties, which was their un-doing really... lifetime of hard work, saving and being sensible poured at an alarming rate into nursing home coffers.

My motto spend the lot and fhuk em all. :lol1:

Because most people are stupid. :thumb:

but the dementia tax was not really about going into care homes etc

it was about receiving social care - in your own home

so it was a change to the existing rules - receiving care in your own home had limits and caps - yes

but did it not result in your home being taking into account - and used to pay for your care after you died

that is why it was regarded as a "lottery" because if you own your home, get dementia and needed home based social care (but not ill enough to go into hospital or a carehome etc)

you basically lose your house

What's actually quite surprising is desipite the poor showing from both Conversatives and Labour, the little fringe parties like UKIP, lib dems, monster raving loony etc aren't making any inroads at all. If they can't gain a significant increase in voters in this climbate, then when can they!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7744176.html

Wonder if Scoobynet will be acceptable behind the great firewall of Britain?