Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942826)
This is part of the absurdity of the entire discussion. Yeah let's stop people being able to read about bomb making. That's not going to stop someone buying a box of fireworks, a couple of bags of nails and some 6" drain pipe is it :lol1:
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11942828)
very true but deporting the 8/9 that drew the long straw would, eventually :thumb::thumb:
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11942828)
very true but deporting the 8/9 that drew the long straw would, eventually :thumb::thumb:
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942845)
What happens if they're UK citizens? I suppose we could always reinstate Australia as a penal colony.
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11942851)
perhaps to where ever the parents/ grandparents came from,,,, just because they where born here doesn't make them english/british, if yoy where on holiday in spain and your wife gave birth early it don't make your child spanish or to put it another way if a cat had kittens in a kennel they ain't gonna be puppies are they, these (don't want to use the word but never mind) people do not have the views and ethics of everyone else in this country, so wake up look right for once in your lives (goverment) and send them somewhere better suited to thier views and ethics, then when the goverment have done that stop poking your noses in other countrys using the moral highground as a excuse when we all know it's all about oil and money, then maybe just maybe we the british public would suffer less of these attacks on your behalf
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Being born somewhere else on a 2 week holiday and being born somewhere you've claimed asylum are just not the same thing
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It's very sad what happened. My condolences to all affected.
No amount of ranting on this forum is going to do a damn thing. nothing is going to change, politicians are too scared of being branded racist, islamophobic etc. Might as well end the pointless discussion and enjoy the long weekend. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11942852)
Did you vote leave, Madscoob?
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'Nominal 'Brits''
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Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 11942854)
Being born somewhere else on a 2 week holiday and being born somewhere you've claimed asylum are just not the same thing
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11942859)
damn right i did based on the fact that in 5 years time 8000000 from germany alone will be eu citizens and WOULD of had the right to come here merkels plan to offload em in 5 years time has backfired bigtime :luxhello:
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11942812)
See what you've done there is manipulated the situation to prove your point. You've moved from learning how to make a bomb to actually doing it. Buying/owning/manufacturing explosives is licensed in the U.K. and doing so without a licence is illegal. No one has even so much as suggested that people have a right to build bombs yet you've done some nice little mental gymnastics to get there anyway.
What you're suggesting is a slippery slope into the joyful world of thought policing. Stopping people learning things because they may actually apply that knowledge isn't the kind of world we should be wanting, especially given these kinds of events aren't actually that frequent. As for "thought policing". We already agree certain aspects of the internet should be policed. There definitely should be other areas that are policed. It's already been mentioned about ISIS videos on youtube, wtf!!!? try to upload a video of Jimi Hendrix, it'd last about 10 minutes. YouTube govern themselves in their own rules and regulations, the same can be said for Facebook, twitter etc etc. The internet is a policed state already, but not policed by the police lol. Most of it is common sense. The general public as a whole are pretty stupid. As for the whole deportation argument. If someone is seen the be a threat to public safety they should have their freedom revoked. If they aren't from the UK then its bye bye. If they are from the UK then they shouldn't be on the streets. If they haven't committed a crime but there's enough suspicion they could cause harm to themselves or others then they can spend some time in an institution until they can convince the authorities they are no longer a problem. |
So you'd be happy to foot the bill ?
( prisons are quite full ) |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 11943409)
So you'd be happy to foot the bill ?
( prisons are quite full ) and jails wouldn't be full if only the people in charge listened to the officers,and i quote from a mate that works in exeter nick, most 1st timers spend the first 6 weeks ****ting themselves, wondering who wants to shaft them and who wants to hurts them, after 2 hours anyone who wants to know knows why you are in, so 6 weeks max sentence for 1st timers for low grade offences then send em home they won't be back he said, but leave em in long enough to settle in and it's game over them come back time n time again it's just to easy :thumb: |
Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough. dl |
Originally Posted by David Lock
(Post 11943461)
Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough. dl Then what do you do? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11943498)
The problem with the 'deport them' argument is that you can only deport someone if the potential recipient country will accept them.
Then what do you do? |
Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11943499)
give them a parachute :thumb:
Seriously though, deporting people is bloody difficult |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11943501)
or 'accidently' forget to pack the parachute properly😀
Seriously though, deporting people is bloody difficult |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11943498)
The problem with the 'deport them' argument is that you can only deport someone if the potential recipient country will accept them.
Then what do you do? David |
Originally Posted by David Lock
(Post 11943461)
Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough. dl |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11943552)
Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
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Originally Posted by wrx300scooby
(Post 11943558)
But getting more frequent of late.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11943552)
Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
In a global sense the death of a couple of dozen UK citizens on rare occasions is almost acceptable when similar numbers are killed on a daily basis, drowning, being bombed or just being starved to death. What a mess the world in in. I find it very depressing especially when I think about my kids' future :mad: David |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11943552)
Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11943644)
please feel free to point out why we should abide by uk law ? when they clearly have no regard for it whatsoever ?
I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11943651)
You want our government to abandon the rule of law?
I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that. |
Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 11943659)
only for jihadi sand dogers :thumb:
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11943671)
That's not how the law works I'm afraid.
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also worth remembering the wonderful Martin Niemöller
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