Originally Posted by Stevan (Post 10904116)

after all I DO work in show biz

Originally Posted by Chip (Post 10904720)

A circus clown maybe?

Originally Posted by cster (Post 10904361)

Without wishing to sound too pedantic, that should be implications, not inferences.
I agree with your sentiment though, the line of argument is rather desperate, to say the least.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10904053)

The tension is between the harsh and conservative Mosaic Law of the Old Testament and the compassionate and inclusive spirit of the New. If one reads John 8:1-59



So, whilst Jesus forgave the women, He acknowledges adultery as a sin and commands her to sin no more. Whilst Jesus doesn't discuss homosexuality specifically in the New Testament, He does of course cite Genesis and the Law of Moses as authoritative and by extension did, does and will consider same sex marriage as sinful.

This presents a painful dilemma for liberal Christians who wish to extend a hand to people of all persuasions and moreso for homosexual Christian couples who wish to profess their love for one another in front of God. I imagine the latter would do well to consider a ceremony at a Unitarian church although I personally cannot reconcile how a service can endorse a 'sinful' bond; theologically it seems absurd.

I guess the only way to attack this is to imagine being gay and a Christian. That in the context of the Bible it is sinful is indisputable, but we're all sinners. So does one abstain? If one chooses that, the dilemma of gay marriage is removed. If one chooses not to abstain and wishes to formalise one's relationship, but acknowledges the absurdity of asking the church to endorse sin, one ought to marry in a civil ceremony. If one wishes to be married in a church one has to be able to reconcile the conflict between the source text of their faith and the actions they're asking to be sanctioned and whilst I'm unable to see how that's logically possible, I'm willing to listen to reasoning to the contrary.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11919699)

I've been asked to review and talk on this book:

https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay

The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11919699)

I've been asked to review and talk on this book:

https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay

The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11919980)

Nice of you to offer, James, thanks. I haven't read the book but I will be interested in your 'review' talk. Please feel free to put it up for my interest.

There's a free download for the book available, so I may skim through it before I hear you. Subject to the spare time available to me for that. I'll see. I'll deffo find the time to hear your recording, though.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920005)

From the author at yesterday's Synod.

https://video.buffer.com/v/58a4a1689...ampaign=buffer

Originally Posted by lozgti1 (Post 11920106)

Naive view,just thought sex was not high on the agenda when you take the cloth,or whatever the term is :) more important things to address.lol

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920248)

Yes, it's not unknown that the Christian churches don't look very kindly on the gay sexuality. I remember the time when you, too, would have been the one (after you became a 'born again') who the author would have raised this question to. Over some time, I've seen your stance changing, along with gradually relaxing Christian air towards the homosexuality; world-wide. It will be interesting to hear how, as a Christian, you review this book with your current degree of acceptance towards the gay sexuality.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920252)

My position hasn't changed.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920252)

My position hasn't changed.

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920261)

To my memory, it has. I'm no good in digging out old posts, but you became anti-gay after becoming a born again Christian. Then lately, in last year and a half, you have posted in support of the gay. I think it's a good change, anyway.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920264)

One page back and posted in 2012:

https://www.scoobynet.com/958805-gay...l#post10904053

I've never been "anti-gay".

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920269)

Well, you did make posts that did not speak in the favour of gay. What I mean is that you supported the past Christian stance i.e. same sex relationships as unacceptable for marriage; with and on the name of God etc . Never mind.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920271)

I do find same-sex marriage unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920275)

Well, the gay people may find that anti-gay, you know.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 11920279)

They're perfectly entitled to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Paben (Post 11920257)

That would be face down @rse up then?

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920280)

OK.

Waiting for your recording. When is it out?

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11920249)

Only the Christ knows what you're talking about. :wonder:

Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO (Post 11920297)

Doesn't care what all these Jesus freaks think anyway all will be bred out by a new liberal generation just looks what happened here in Ireland