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Matty81 26 July 2018 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019984)
No, so you do not think the subscription is worth it, which is fair enough.

This is true of all sorts of things in life, but you don't go out and steal it, you just do without. Why is TV different?

I’d happily go down a pub and watch it, but if another provider that isn’t sky etc and is legal, offers a service that is nearly as good and at a quarter of the price I’d take it. Sky are getting greedy now by expecting people to pay for subscriptions over the majority of the sports that they offer ie subscription for football subscription for f1 etc etc. It’s just plain greed from them.

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019984)
No, so you do not think the subscription is worth it, which is fair enough.

This is true of all sorts of things in life, but you don't go out and steal it, you just do without. Why is TV different?

Much rather have something for free than pay,

With an Android emulator i run TVTap which gives all the Sports Channels/live TV

Also Showbox is another great Android app for Movies/TV Shows.

At least i am streaming it through my own WIFI and not my neighbours like a few i know :lol1::lol1:

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019981)
I know Sky isn't cheap, but people don't go stealing other stuff because they think it's overprice or they can't afford it, it's very odd behaviour.

If everyone just streamed from Kodi or other dodgy sources, there would be no content to stream as the companies income streams wouldn't support it.

If you can't afford a Ferrari, you buy something else, but you are still buying something. Kodi etc is just theft, don't kid yourselves.

If only Ferraris were as easy to "Steal" as the Streaming is.............

Mr Fuji 26 July 2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy (Post 12019987)
If only Ferraris were as easy to "Steal" as the Streaming is.............

And this is the problem, it's no less dishonest, but it is the same.

Mr Fuji 26 July 2018 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy (Post 12019986)
Much rather have something for free than pay,

With an Android emulator i run TVTap which gives all the Sports Channels/live TV

Also Showbox is another great Android app for Movies/TV Shows.

At least i am streaming it through my own WIFI and not my neighbours like a few i know :lol1::lol1:

Surely you recognise there is a difference between getting something for free and having something you should have paid for? ;)

bioforger 26 July 2018 10:27 AM

It's not odd behaviour at all because its simply too easy with no consequences. Of course morally its not right, but that's the only reason it happens, well why any piracy happens. Even when there are consequences say from an ISP cancelling your account (you get multiple warnings first anyway) the other punishments are not stringent enough. The law is only really interested in the people who share mass content illegally and people know that.

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019990)
And this is the problem, it's no less dishonest, but it is the same.

:thumb:

Nice guys finish last, and often out of pocket too :lol1:

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019991)
Surely you recognise there is a difference between getting something for free and having something you should have paid for? ;)

Why would you pay for something you can steal without consequence ?

Wish it didn't just apply to TV :lol1::lol1:

Mr Fuji 26 July 2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by bioforger (Post 12019992)
It's not odd behaviour at all because its simply too easy with no consequences. Of course morally its not right, but that's the only reason it happens, well why any piracy happens. Even when there are consequences say from an ISP cancelling your account (you get multiple warnings first anyway) the other punishments are not stringent enough. The law is only really interested in the people who share mass content illegally and people know that.

A common misconception, no consequences for you.

Of course, I accept that entertainment companies are posting large profits, and most people do pay for content, and that they are unlikely to fall, but that's the same as saying most people only claim for benefits they are entitled to so that justifies the cheats, is it not?

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019996)
A common misconception, no consequences for you.

Of course, I accept that entertainment companies are posting large profits, and most people do pay for content, and that they are unlikely to fall, but that's the same as saying most people only claim for benefits they are entitled to so that justifies the cheats, is it not?

Comparing apples with oranges here now,

Could go on about Tax evasion being a larger drain than benefits cheats too,

WMD's, Plauges, Cancer......

Personally i like to worry about the things that are under my own control, keeps life alot more simple.

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019996)
A common misconception, no consequences for you.

Of course, I accept that entertainment companies are posting large profits, and most people do pay for content, and that they are unlikely to fall, but that's the same as saying most people only claim for benefits they are entitled to so that justifies the cheats, is it not?

The main point i take from that is none for me :)

Therefor i couldn't care less what affects others,

Be it from my De-Cat exhaust,

Old fat down the sink, littering, used oil down the drain christ sometimes i spray aerosols just for the sake of it :lol1::lol1: believe me when i say this i couldn't care less if me stealing this content affected you or anyone else paying for it.

Mr Fuji 26 July 2018 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy (Post 12020001)
The main point i take from that is none for me :)

Therefor i couldn't care less what affects others,

Be it from my De-Cat exhaust,

Old fat down the sink, littering, used oil down the drain christ sometimes i spray aerosols just for the sake of it :lol1::lol1: believe me when i say this i couldn't care less if me stealing this content affected you or anyone else paying for it.

But of course would be up in arms if anyone did anything that affected you :Whatever_

SmurfyBhoy 26 July 2018 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12020002)
But of course would be up in arms if anyone did anything that affected you :Whatever_

Nah not really,

Not much would get me "up in arms", you need to care enough about something for that :lol:

Most stuff i care for is insured so welcome to steal those too if you really need em :)

bioforger 26 July 2018 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12019996)
A common misconception, no consequences for you.

Of course, I accept that entertainment companies are posting large profits, and most people do pay for content, and that they are unlikely to fall, but that's the same as saying most people only claim for benefits they are entitled to so that justifies the cheats, is it not?

Not a misconception, I know, that's what i meant obviously, no consequence for the user.

Jonnys3 26 July 2018 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy (Post 12020001)
The main point i take from that is none for me :)

sometimes i spray aerosols just for the sake of it

:lol::lol:

bioforger 26 July 2018 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 12019937)
Lol at this thread.

Tbf there is probably thousands of suppliers that provide iptv, I've been with a few in my time and I've learnt is finding a supplier that's reliable and trouble free (most of the time people don't find suitable suppliers as everyone is on the bang wagon these days).
The comment about poor quality lol, I get a true 1080/720 etc trouble free and yes the picture is of that same as sky etc so that is utter tosh. Yes it doesn't play in 1080'P' but of course it doesn't as that 'p' you won't even get sky as you can't stream or watch live tv in 'p' format.

I don't really use it all the time as I don't have much time but when I do it's great, and the way I see it, watching 2 live boxing matches has paid for a year subscription easily so to me the rest is free.

STFU u carnt its not tosh :lol1: how do you know its true 1080 without analysing the output? whenever i've used iptv in the past the "1080" streams are obviously not 1080 at all as you can see clear pixelation/bleeding etc on a decent TV screen / the streams are usually compressed or edited in some way, which loses quality. Unless this has been dramatically improved recently i suspect its the same for a lot of the "services". True though sky doesnt output in P its in I format. But anyway its all irrelevant now with UHD being available, show me a IPTV service that provides that you cockskin :norty:

bustaMOVEs 26 July 2018 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by bioforger (Post 12020039)
STFU u carnt its not tosh :lol1: how do you know its true 1080 without analysing the output? whenever i've used iptv in the past the "1080" streams are obviously not 1080 at all as you can see clear pixelation/bleeding etc on a decent TV screen / the streams are usually compressed or edited in some way, which loses quality. Unless this has been dramatically improved recently i suspect its the same for a lot of the "services". True though sky doesnt output in P its in I format. But anyway its all irrelevant now with UHD being available, show me a IPTV service that provides that you cockskin :norty:

Bit cheeky telling me to stfu? :Suspiciou

I suggest you check it out again with a decent provider, you've just quoted yourself 'unless it's been improved' it's exactly the same as Sky 'hd' 1080'i'.


And for another poster saying it's stealing, it's not us the customer that gets punished, we pay for a service, it's the provider that's in the wrong not us and it's them that get the force of the law, but as a lot of them run hidden isp servers it's a little hard to trace them and if they do get blocked then they just change their URL etc, just like any dodgy website that gets shut down, it's up again on a different addresses.

I'm not getting involved in these immature slinging matches of the snet warriors as it just drags you down to their level and this thread attracts those kind :lol1:
Just thought it be right to correct incorrect info, which was probably a waste of my time :lol1:

And I'm not comfortable providing my supplier to 'cockskins'

bioforger 26 July 2018 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 12020059)
Bit cheeky telling me to stfu? :Suspiciou

And I'm not comfortable providing my supplier to 'cockskins'

:lol1: :D

Mr Fuji 27 July 2018 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 12020059)
And for another poster saying it's stealing, it's not us the customer that gets punished, we pay for a service, it's the provider that's in the wrong not us and it's them that get the force of the law, but as a lot of them run hidden isp servers it's a little hard to trace them and if they do get blocked then they just change their URL etc, just like any dodgy website that gets shut down, it's up again on a different addresses.

It is true that they the law will go after them, but you are still breaking the law, make no mistake. Accessing content that is available on a subscription service without paying for it is against the law.



SmurfyBhoy 27 July 2018 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12020112)
It is true that they the law will go after them, but you are still breaking the law, make no mistake. Accessing content that is available on a subscription service without paying for it is against the law.

1872 Licensing Act, states: “It is Illegal to be drunk in the pub.”

Let's not get caught up on what is and isn't legal........


Mr Fuji 27 July 2018 11:50 AM

Yes, of course, comparing a law nearly 150 years old which has been ignored for most of that time against one specifically enacted recently to address this type of situation is so valid :rolleyes:

SmurfyBhoy 27 July 2018 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12020145)
Yes, of course, comparing a law nearly 150 years old which has been ignored for most of that time against one specifically enacted recently to address this type of situation is so valid :rolleyes:

Both are illegal tho, was an example of how ridiculous laws can be if nobody lives by them :)








bustaMOVEs 27 July 2018 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12020112)
It is true that they the law will go after them, but you are still breaking the law, make no mistake. Accessing content that is available on a subscription service without paying for it is against the law.

have you ever gone over the speed limit and not got caught for it?

bustaMOVEs 27 July 2018 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Fuji (Post 12020112)
It is true that they the law will go after them, but you are still breaking the law, make no mistake. Accessing content that is available on a subscription service without paying for it is against the law.

I am paying for it. Does that mean I'm ok now

Andycat 29 July 2018 03:36 PM

seems sky or whoever blocked my house from going on my last IPTV....... for eg It will work on 3G on mobile but not through my modem !??

bioforger 29 July 2018 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Andycat (Post 12020392)
seems sky or whoever blocked my house from going on my last IPTV....... for eg It will work on 3G on mobile but not through my modem !??

lol thats just Sky blocking the IPTV app/service

Andycat 29 July 2018 09:18 PM

Yes that's what I said ? ?!

Andycat 29 July 2018 09:19 PM

All sorted now anyway 😉

bioforger 30 July 2018 02:46 AM

You said blocked your house :) its not a personal ban, its a blanket ban on the IPTV server, but yea a VPN will sort that out easily :)

Mr Fuji 30 July 2018 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 12020199)

have you ever gone over the speed limit and not got caught for it?

Never ;) Of course, we all break the law to a certain degree, whether intentionally of not, and some laws carry much more weight and consequence than others, I just find it odd how some people find it morally defensible to steal others intellectual property wholesale, but probably would not continuously break other laws.


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