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911 04 February 2008 07:29 AM

Ha! Fair enough. What a lot of work!

Please work harder, we are all sitting at our PC's with coffee and biscuits waiting impatiently for the next photos!
:D

March is not far away...

(please, you know I'm kidding!)

ZEN Performance 04 February 2008 09:07 AM

It's not that much work graham, not for someone that's used to it. I would hate to have gone the plastic bung route, and then everytime I looked in the car, wished I had done it properly.

March really isn't far away!

flat4 04 February 2008 10:19 AM

Neither is April!! :cry::D

ZEN Performance 04 February 2008 10:25 AM

The Neil at Eclipse Motor bodies is ready and waiting for the shell so they can get started. We're going to be working hard this week to get it sorted. Many long nights ahead.

Andy.F 04 February 2008 10:34 AM

Looking excellent so far guys :cool:

What are you doing for doors Paul ?

Also interested to know if you are raising or dropping the engine/box ? One option being good for CoG the other for driveshaft alignment at lower ride height, as ever a compromise either way.

ZEN Performance 04 February 2008 10:57 AM

With the amount we are lowering the car, there is no point in lowering the engine, we almost have to raise it.

Doors will carbon/kevlar with frames and plastic windows.

Andy.F 04 February 2008 10:59 AM

Can you PM me a price on doors if they are available as my F/G ones are starting to fall apart !

David_Wallis 04 February 2008 10:03 PM

Looking good, cant wait to come down and help in march :)

Jolly Green Monster 04 February 2008 11:02 PM

looking very good Paul!

is it possible to lighten subframes much??

Simon

ZEN Performance 05 February 2008 01:33 AM

No major progress today, we have been cleaning the roll cage tubes and areas around the various welds. Then I decided to tidy up a load of the seam welding welds with the TIG torch, even though the shell has no seam sealer (devils own anti weld technology) it's still difficult to remove the paint along the seam, right up to the join. I will invest in the proper tool in future. Although I have to say that this time around I invested in a great new tool, my new MIG welder, a small kempi MinarcMig 180, which for this sort of work is the dogs. You can run a continuous weld on 0.7mm thick steel without blowing a hole. Unfortunately even a little paint still screws with you!

Big push tomorrow evening as I have a little help.




Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster (Post 7626499)
looking very good Paul!

is it possible to lighten subframes much??

Simon

Yes, 3kg saving on rear.

StickyMicky 05 February 2008 07:35 AM

are you fitting the p2000 kit or the 22b stuff?

ZEN Performance 05 February 2008 09:48 AM

It's WRC 98, but I think the front bumper is P2000 style.

ZEN Performance 05 February 2008 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Zen Performance (Post 7626700)
No major progress today, we have been cleaning the roll cage tubes and areas around the various welds.

So glad you appreciated my help :rolleyes: And I broke my nails too!

:lol1::D;)
Liz

911 05 February 2008 12:49 PM

Trish stops at pumping brakes and parts collecting/chasing/financing/soothing/tolerating/avoiding/justifying/not complaining....

Liz has it easy.No need to file the nails?
:D

Jolly Green Monster 05 February 2008 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Zen Performance (Post 7626700)
Yes, 3kg saving on rear.

:cool:

Andy.F 05 February 2008 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Zen Performance (Post 7626700)
Yes, 3kg saving on rear.


And even more on the front one Paul ;)

David_Wallis 07 February 2008 11:19 PM

bump

h8nsk 10 February 2008 10:20 AM

Hi Paul,
Thanks for the mention of my efforts, and thanks for the coments on my neat welding. The little MIG welder is fantastic piece of kit, very controlable. Every where I could I have TIG'ed the cage to ensure good penetration and a neat finish.

We had another late one on Friday, filling more holes and more holes!!
Sills went on also after receiving a FAX earlier in the day I fabricated in thin sheet a pair of sills which I think complete the look of the side profile of the car.
We also patched one side's front wheel arch inner skin to tidy up. Boot inner also has a flange on th rear which was tricky.

Here is a picture of the car rotated to 45 degrees to make life a little easier.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...k/DSC02702.jpg

here's a pic of the fire wall, engine bay side.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...k/DSC02704.jpg


Hans.

ZEN Performance 10 February 2008 12:01 PM

The man himself!

Work continues today in earnest. should look good by the end of the day.

BIG FUD 10 February 2008 07:45 PM

exlnt
 
Looking good cant wait to see it in the flesh :)

Mark A 10 February 2008 09:22 PM

Out of interest whats the little mig welder you refer to? I presume its a machine and not a person.

911 10 February 2008 09:27 PM

Mark: see #70 above.

ZEN Performance 10 February 2008 11:46 PM

Okay quite a big update as although I haven't posted any pics for a while, things have been progressing, albeit slower than I had hoped.

First of all, the drivers seat layout, showing the floor mounted Tilton pedal box assembly, and the drivers seat. We've pushed the seat as far back as possible, which isn't that far unfortunately, as the roll cage stops play. I would have preffered to used a later style cage with the layed back main hoop, but there isn't a kit, and it's not "approved" if you put the later, more up to date cage in an earlier car (stupid I know).
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00502.jpg

Here you can see how far back we did manage to get the seat, which is also as low as possible (and lower means further forward due to pesky cage bar!)
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00503.jpg

A close up of the pedal box, it's now clear to see what the the box section cross bars are for, raising the pedals for a bette position, the WRC steering column will run between the clutch and brake pedals.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00506.jpg

We are obviously trying to make the car as light as possible, this little lot had to go!
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00505.jpg

Hans hard at work welding in the plating for the offside inner arch.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00507.jpg

This is the flange that Hans very skillfully put in to mount the removable boot floor too. When finished this, along with the surrounding flanges will be perforated with fixing holes, and we can insert the boot floor of our choice, giving flexibility should we decide to put in a large fuel tank or re route the exhausts.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00512.jpg

A closer shot of one of Hans' fantastic sill formings.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00522.jpg

The completed offside inner arch as done by Hans
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00524.jpg

My effort on the nearside. Although I did the cut and shut on both sides, this one benefiting from the experience of doing the other!
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00528.jpg

Now with added filler on the weld. If doing this again I would lool to get some sheet laser cut to remake part of the inner arch area.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00545.jpg


Guess what, not enough clearance at the rear! But not for long.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00529.jpg

Mocking up the new inner arch.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00531.jpg

Getting the first half in place.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00532.jpg

Completed inner arch from, not entirely welded in place yet.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00536.jpg
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00537.jpg
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00547.jpg
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00548.jpg

With the arch mods in place, you can begin to see how low the car is going to sit. Bearing in mind the lowest part of the car is about the depth of the sill lower again.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00553.jpg

Wideness...
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00556.jpg

Lowness. Plus you can also see very clearly a big chunk missing off the corner of the shell.
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...r/DSC00557.jpg

It's been a long day, as the timestamps on the pics will testify! It only remains for me to say a big hello to a few Time Attack competitors that have been keeping a close eye on this thread, you know who you are!

David_Wallis 11 February 2008 12:25 AM

:D Quality..

Hans thats some welding, but the nice thing is you look to keep the HAZ so small.. one day I might master that, rather than chasing holes ;) :D

Looking good paul.. lets just hope the chassis and engine are at least as good as last year :)

David

911 11 February 2008 07:31 AM

Big notches for the drive shafts at the rear?
You need to go some to meet the time plan yet!

Most interesting.
:D

dynamix 11 February 2008 07:36 AM

Great progress Paul.

I see what you mean .... it is certainly going to be low :D

Camouflage 11 February 2008 08:51 AM

Paul, I see the front strut tops have been removed so whats the plan for them?? :Suspiciou

PS Great thread and good luck this year :thumb:

ZEN Performance 11 February 2008 09:35 AM

There is a plan for driveshaft clearance, that's coming soon.

The front strut tops were taken out before we received the shell, so we will be fabricating some new ones to take the WRC topmounts that sit on the top of the turret rather than below.

We very nearly went with a double wishbone design, which I have outlined and know is easily possibly. However the time constraints mean it's not really practical to do, mainly due to having to find other rear uprights and messing about with the pickups. So *this time* we are sticking with struts, the next TA car we build will almost certainly be double wishbone.

I would say we are currently a week behind, but I think (hope) that some of the things we are doing here are things that Neil at EMB was thinking he would have to do.

Paul

ZEN Performance 11 February 2008 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Zen Performance (Post 7643776)
So *this time* we are sticking with struts, the next TA car we build will almost certainly be double wishbone.
Paul

So, already there is a next time? ;) :luxhello:

Liz

David_Wallis 11 February 2008 11:43 PM

I have to say I am really enjoying reading this and cant wait to see it, for fooks sake though hurry up and update it!!


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