I think those Subaru Forrester things are quite a q-car - don't they share a lot with the Impreza, just in a kind of "jacked-up estate car" kind of body? :)

[Edited by Pepper - 5/22/2003 2:24:43 PM]

http://www.nordicaudi.com/arkivet/bi...der/rs6_14.jpg

Take it along to ABT for 550bhp and 500 lb/ft chip and remap then debadge it :)

Nice.

For reasons beyond my understanding... I always think that the brothers name is Jewish in origin... not Italian... I have to look at the book on my shelf to type it correctly...


[Edited by Mycroft - 5/22/2003 2:47:05 PM]

Edited as Mycroft removed the lies from his post :D

[Edited by Pepper - 5/22/2003 2:53:54 PM]

MC,
So why don't Soarer's fall in the "Rice" bracket then? :p

Seen one on track and it went out the back like a Mini. Thought it was some sort of Lux Barge and wondered why he was taking it on track. Might even have been you... ;) Slow as a 90 year old Sloth on pension day and not worthy of Q-car monicker... ;) :D
LOL

Jeesh Iain - give it a bloody rest will ya?

Q-Cars for me (and Q-car slang came from Q-ships of WW1)

Mercedes 500e - porsche engineered lunacy
Audi RS2 - porsche engineered lunacy with room for a sofa

And best of all.... my mates car....
A-Reg Gold Sierra 5 Door 1.6GL - totally stock from the outside.

in the engine room it had a 2.9 Cosworth V6, plus blower, plus laughing gas.....

Stupidly quick - a touch tricky on 195/50/15s though!!

Have to say that the Merc Cosworth is a bit of a Q car. Very few people know what they are and what they are capable of. Unless you have huge COSWORTH stickers down the side (saw one like this the other day) :rolleyes:

PS how is the re-spray coming on?

[Edited by Mark Champion - 5/22/2003 3:05:56 PM]

My Q-cars [as first coined by Duesenberg :D... I don't own a ship or a barge :D!]

Would not be too dis-similar...

Soarer [modded]
Mercedes 500e... big car, big go....
Audi RS2... Estate car... and the rest...
F150 Ford pick-up... NO ONE ever expects a sub 13 second pick-up :D

[Edited by Mycroft - 5/22/2003 3:10:33 PM]

YAWN - there's no such car as a "Duesenberg Model Q" or any "Q" variant of any of their models.

On the subject of the Cos-merc, back in the early 90's I discovered that the 2.3-16 was on give and take roads no faster than a Peugeot 405 Mi-16... that was 400cc down and FWD as well... the Cos-merc is no 'Q' car if it can be beaten by a production 4 pot from France with less power and CC... falls at the first hurdle.

[Edited by Mycroft - 5/22/2003 3:18:42 PM]

B18 BHP was when it lived the ultimate Q car, perfectly normal looking Sierra until it lit the back wheels up !
Will always remember my trip round the Ring in it and the looks on the Porsche drivers faces !
Sierra Coswoths get my vote as these days not many people know what the are / were.

J.

Pepper will you please behave and stop disrupting this thread!!

Stay on topic and only contribute meaningful replies.

Thanks Redkop

Mark - don't talk to me about resprays mate - not got there yet... still on suspension and oily stuff. Has now become a mission to build an entirely new 2.3-16v from bits - irritating thing is there wasn't a lot wrong with it to start with. Damm perfectionist streak coming through again...

Mycroft - 2.3-16v vs. Mi16. And your point is?
The Pug is considerably newer is it not? given the Merc 16v appeared in 85 and the Mi16 appeared when?

Most stuff will outrun a 16v 190 - not a lot go round corners like one though. Like most performance motors of the era (M3, Cossie, UR-q, Grale) you have to know how to drive a car properly to get the best from it.

But then I'm not gonna take the bait - which is what you really getting at...

Thought of a proper Q-Car.... GMC Cyclone.

###
Mycroft - 2.3-16v vs. Mi16. And your point is?
The Pug is considerably newer is it not? given the Merc 16v appeared in 85 and the Mi16 appeared when?
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I think MC said they were 'Q' cars or close to it..

The cars were contemporaries... both 'G' reg [I think] the 'other driver was a rather good professional saloon car racer and I can just about drive OK... we swapped cars on the return leg the Mi-16 was faster on both legs...

The point is that Jean Todt did ask for the Mi-16 4×4 to be available in turbo form... I think a few were made like that... from the Desert Rally cars... 285hp... and lightning quick...

Now THAT is a 'Q' car... never seen one only read about it... kinda like the idea as the 405 chassis was good... very good.

Just to show how difficult this subject is I asked where 'Q-car' came from on the MEF... we are all wrong as it came from the Fraser-Nash of the pre-war era... it means 'quiet car' but basically take a racing Fraser-Nash put a normal(ish) exhaust on it take off the numbers etc and that is a Q-car... hahaha

Sod it... who cares anymore... did the Americans land on the moon or was it a hoax... hahaha
--------
Gordon Bennett is in on it now!!!

Apparently Gordon Bennett used the term first according to 'Pickles' on the MEF... could easily lose the will to live...



[Edited by Mycroft - 5/22/2003 4:40:00 PM]

Redkop - I'm sorry, but my first post in this thread was ON TOPIC - if someone is making up stories which I know not to be true then surely I'm OK to disagree with/correct them??

Edited as Mycroft edited first :D


Anyway
Has anybody ever seen a Scoob with a front mounted intercooler and a Sport bonnet? With so many people going for front mounts I'm suprised nobody has done it.
Hmmm... if they had they would hardly be telling everybody on an open forum though



[Edited by Mark Champion - 5/22/2003 3:49:51 PM]

Mycroft - the 2.3 was only C & D plate... thereafter it was 2.5 until '92. The 2.5 was the slower car - too much capacity, not enough revs sort of thing. Heavier too.

Anyway, I digress.

Contemporaries or not - by G-Plate, the Merc was already obsolete (along with the M3, UR-q etc) - and the Mi16 was a far newer bit of kit...

thats exactly what I'd like to do to my Impreza

get rid of the intercooler scoop and a front mount the only problem is the cost which as far as I can work out would run into £1000's fitted

Edited as Mycroft removed the lies from his post :D

[Edited by Pepper - 5/22/2003 4:39:00 PM]

Edited because Mycroft removed his post again

[Edited by Pepper - 5/22/2003 4:55:58 PM]

Yes, you are quite within your right to disagree and/or correct them, but without sneaking in little sarky comments please :)

The Q car thing is definitely the Boat thing, have heard it numerous times (Discovery Channel usually) and the Battenburg Q thing only once.

Battenburg... that raised a chuckle...:D

The Rover 220GSi Turbo ( hatchback form )
0-60 in 6.4 and 146mph. If you took off the small turbo badg eyou could mistake it for a 216Gti

Its got to be the RS6, stupendiously fast, comfy, clever and so subtle - and you can just laugh at M3 drivers if you get the Avant! :D

I'd say Rover 620Ti ...............hmm wonder why

Definately packs and unexpected punch...


Lots of puzzled looks and "was'nt that a Rover ?"