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njkmrs 05 January 2017 07:13 PM

Nowt to do with the colour of the guy.
He was in a car with a gun in it and was clearly a wanna be gangsta...
He paid the price.
Why do some people turn into something it isn't.
Shoot a few more of the scumbags if you ask me ....white black brown or pink..

Saves me seeing another video of the blarrts living it up in prison on at mine and your expense....:Whatever_

wrx300scooby 05 January 2017 07:15 PM

I've just seen his mother on local News, I've drawn my own conclusions.

ditchmyster 05 January 2017 07:18 PM

As usual my comments have been taken out of context, I never said it was because he is brown, I merely said in the current climate it wasn't prudent to be wandering around waving firearms about the place 'More so' if you're brown. :thumb:

Is that really so difficult to comprehend. :wonder:

Turbohot 05 January 2017 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by wrx300scooby (Post 11908004)
I've just seen his mother on local News, I've drawn my own conclusions.

Please tell, wrx300scooby. I saw the mother on Sky news. That didn't give me any clue about the dead man. :confused:

Turbohot 05 January 2017 07:27 PM

A lot of you going on about him possessing a fire arm hence shot to death. Thing is, can police just shoot someone at sight, for suspecting that he might possess a fire arm; that's due to a tip off? Or, are they supposed to use other tactics first, to stop the man from using it?

wrx300scooby 05 January 2017 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908008)
Please tell, wrx300scooby. I saw the mother on Sky news. That didn't give me any clue about the dead man. :confused:

Well Swati, it could be that the clip you saw was different to the one I saw. No real tears at all, no swollen eyes from lots of proper crying, false comes to the forefront of my mind.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by wrx300scooby (Post 11908017)
Well Swati, it could be that the clip you saw was different to the one I saw. No real tears at all, no swollen eyes from lots of proper crying, false comes to the forefront of my mind.

Yes, that's what I thought you might have thought. I can see why tbf. Mind you, excessive wailing can be a cultural thing.

markjmd 05 January 2017 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908012)
A lot of you going on about him possessing a fire arm hence shot to death. Thing is, can police just shoot someone at sight, for suspecting that he might possess a fire arm; that's due to a tip off?

Of course not, and this is very unlikely to be what happened.


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908012)
Or, are they supposed to use other tactics first, to stop the man from using it?

Standard tactics would be to tell the occupants of the vehicle to exit it in such a way as they won't pose a threat, and/or to give them other commands that would need to be followed to the letter to ensure their actions couldn't be misconstrued as potentially posing a threat.

Obviously in this case (as with the Mark Duggan thing that set off the riots a couple of years back), the guy who ended up getting shot misheard, misunderstood, or for whatever other reason failed to comply with those commands satisfactorily, and he's now sadly dead. It's a risk he knowingly chose to take though, as it's hardly a secret how seriously illegal firearm possession is viewed by the authorities in this country. And as Ditchy points out, in the current security climate particularly, that should be more obvious than ever.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 07:59 PM

Imo a MARKED vehicle should of made the stop.
All will be revealed when the driver of the Audi speaks his side of what happened.

Don't judge a book by its cover until you know the facts, all this accusations is silly when nobody knows the truth.

STI -V4 05 January 2017 08:02 PM

/\This/\

banny sti 05 January 2017 08:03 PM

Pre planned operation with intel but not a single body cam on any of the officers hmmmm

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:04 PM

So now you want to make a mockery of his family crying! FYI all Asian women cry like that at a death trust me,(go to an Asian funeral and you will know this. Women are known for this, fact.) but instead you lot carry on making assumptions. Let them grieve ffs.

I'm not sticking up for anyone him or his family but you lot are as bad as the media comments. Just shows what people have turned into.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11908025)
Of course not, and this is very unlikely to be what happened.


Standard tactics would be to tell the occupants of the vehicle to exit it in such a way as they won't pose a threat, and/or to give them other commands that would need to be followed to the letter to ensure their actions couldn't be misconstrued as potentially posing a threat.

Obviously in this case (as with the Mark Duggan thing that set off the riots a couple of years back), the guy who ended up getting shot misheard, misunderstood, or for whatever other reason failed to comply with those commands satisfactorily, and he's now sadly dead.

Oh. I didn't know that happened.


It's a risk he knowingly chose to take though, as it's hardly a secret how seriously illegal firearm possession is viewed by the authorities in this country. And as Ditchy points out, in the current security climate particularly, that should be more obvious than ever.
Sure. If he failed to comply with the commands, then I guess the police had no choice.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908035)
So now you want to make a mockery of his family crying! FYI all Asian women cry like that at a death trust me,(go to an Asian funeral and you will know this. Women are known for this, fact.) but instead you lot carry on making assumptions. Let them grieve ffs.

I'm not sticking up for anyone him or his family but you lot are as bad as the media comments. Just shows what people have turned into.

Yes, that's what I said in my #67 that excessive crying could be a cultural thing.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908031)
Imo a MARKED vehicle should of made the stop.
All will be revealed when the driver of the Audi speaks his side of what happened.

Don't judge a book by its cover until you know the facts, all this accusations is silly when nobody knows the truth.

Oh. So it was someone else driving the Audi? :confused:

I didn't know that.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908041)
Oh. So it was someone else driving the Audi? :confused:

I didn't know that.

Yes, read my previous post on other page, the guy who got shot was in the passenger seat.

hence everybody is spouting on without knowing the facts. Thanks to the media as usual.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908046)
Yes, read my previous post on other page, the guy who got shot was in the passenger seat.

hence everybody is spouting on without knowing the facts. Thanks to the media as usual.

Oh, ok! Thanks, bustaMOVES.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:14 PM

And all this gangster life etc, he's never been charged with anything of the sort, where's the proof? Most of us know dodgy people so what, does that mean we're gangsters too?
All is hear say without any merit.

Painting a picture as usual

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908048)
And all this gangster life etc, he's never been charged with anything of the sort, where's the proof? Most of us know dodgy people so what, does that mean we're gangsters too?
All is hear say without any merit.

A paper said that he has more than 10 security cameras on his property. That paper (I think the Daily Mail) was trying to support the 'fact' with that he was a gangsta drug dealer.

banny sti 05 January 2017 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908051)
A paper said that he has more than 10 security cameras on his property. That paper (I think the Daily Mail) was trying to support the 'fact' with that he was a gangsta drug dealer.

If you were to look at my instagram and fb profile, I'm sure the media could paint a colorful picture of me to suit and agenda too

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908048)
And all this gangster life etc, he's never been charged with anything of the sort, where's the proof? Most of us know dodgy people so what, does that mean we're gangsters too?
All is hear say without any merit.

Painting a picture as usual

I don't know any dodgy people tbh. Not in my personal life. I may be talking to some dodgy people here who I don't know so well. Alcazar to start with, because he even gets checked by the security all the time on the ferry to France, for no reason. :D

wrx300scooby 05 January 2017 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908035)
So now you want to make a mockery of his family crying! FYI all Asian women cry like that at a death trust me,(go to an Asian funeral and you will know this. Women are known for this, fact.) but instead you lot carry on making assumptions. Let them grieve ffs.

I'm not sticking up for anyone him or his family but you lot are as bad as the media comments. Just shows what people have turned into.

I'm not going to get into tit for tat with you Busta. I've made my OWN conclusions, thank you.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11908052)
If you were to look at my instagram and fb profile, I'm sure the media could paint a colorful picture of me to suit and agenda too

I understand what you mean, Banny.

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:27 PM

Honestly, we shouldn't argue among us and put one another down for our assumptions. I believe that soon we will have the answers from the police and the IPCC. No point getting all cut up or attacky with one another. We shall soon see what comes out to be, as a fact or facts.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Kwik (Post 11907925)
Raul Moat shot himself.

Just to edit my earlier reply, from what I've read, the police negotiated for 12 hours with him before :thumb:

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11908053)
I don't know any dodgy people tbh. Not in my personal life. I may be talking to some dodgy people here who I don't know so well. Alcazar to start with, because he even gets checked by the security all the time on the ferry to France, for no reason. :D

Hahaha that made me laugh, I did put 'most'


Originally Posted by wrx300scooby (Post 11908056)
I'm not going to get into tit for tat with you Busta. I've made my OWN conclusions, thank you.

That's fair enough, just thought I'd point it out if you thought a woman/mother looked like she was exadurating her crying.
When my mum passed, her sisters and most women did the same and I've always noticed it at other funerals too, so that says I am brown so know this to be true fact.
I'm also from Huddersfield so I feel it's unfair to ridicule someone from my hometown without facts.
But I can't help that some people are just like that nowadays hey.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:37 PM

But btw, it seems that a 30yo has been charged for possession of a loaded firearm (so that must be the driver) and will be in court tmr regarding that offence.
Now that's facts.

Nothing about the passenger who got shot and killed.

Seems even more suspicious now that the driver has been charged for the gun......

Turbohot 05 January 2017 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs (Post 11908066)
But btw, it seems that a 30yo has been charged for possession of a loaded firearm (so that must be the driver) and will be in court tmr regarding that offence.
Now that's facts.

Nothing about the passenger who got shot and killed.

Seems even more suspicious now that the driver has been charged for the gun......

Certainly. Jeez!

STI -V4 05 January 2017 08:45 PM

Personally I think the copper was trigger happy ! as far as we know the gun in the car could have been in the boot!

Anyway time will tell.

bustaMOVEs 05 January 2017 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by STI -V4 (Post 11908069)
Personally I think the copper was trigger happy ! as far as we know the gun in the car could have been in the boot!

Anyway time will tell.

Well it did take them 24hrs or so to confirm there was a gun found 'by the investigators'
That to me says after......


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