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lloydsound 26 November 2014 02:16 PM

Are people saying that a standard jdm wrx is faster than a standard jdm sti? Doesn't make much sense

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11568955)
micky has a jdm wrx classic, you have a uk spec wrx with an sti spoiler plonked on the rear to try and convince people you could afford the proper version ;)

You mean the slower, heavier version which doesn't even have the common decency to give us better economy or usable 1st-2nd gears?

Lol. I'm only messing guys.

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by APIDavid (Post 11568958)
Quote " The 6 speed at 450, is heavy, responsible for significant transmission loss and is bordering on unusable in 1st and 2nd gear. "

Hang on a minute! 1st & 2nd are exactly the same ratios on a JDM 6 speed as a UK / Euro 6 speed.

So all 6 speeders are rubbish in 1st and 2nd ??

he tries to claim again and again the 5 speed is the best gearbox, i think this is his point.

i would bother trying to argue he is on crack, what do you know about engines and gearboxes anyway david :thumb:

Blue by You 26 November 2014 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568963)
Lol. I'm only messing guys.

The trouble is Matt, it's hard to tell.
With respect, much of what you say doesn't come across as either funny or sarcastic, merely stupid and ill-informed.

APIDavid 26 November 2014 02:18 PM

Yeah!! OK, maybe we'll all give up and leave him alone.

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by lloydsound (Post 11568962)
Are people saying that a standard jdm wrx is faster than a standard jdm sti? Doesn't make much sense

Not much in it stock acceleration wise, at the same power levels - no contest. At increased same power levels - utterly humiliating for the STI.

Not my opinion, don't shoot the messenger, just facts after comparing copious amounts of time-slips/drag race footage.

My 330bhp WRX 12.6
fat-thomas 430bhp STI 12.8

My 0-60 foot 1.884
Big Arfs old 700bhp car 0-60 foot 1.986

banny sti 26 November 2014 02:25 PM

Matt next time you're round specky's with your sooper dooper wrx, drop me a message I want to see how my slow jdm type r fairs against it, will bring my camera to verify how much you leave me by :thumb:

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11568974)
Matt next time you're round specky's with your sooper dooper wrx, drop me a message I want to see how my slow jdm type r fairs against it, will bring my camera to verify how much you leave me by :thumb:

Can't I just borrow yours for a few hours and do a youtube SUBARUWRXFAN type review?

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568972)
Not much in it stock acceleration wise, at the same power levels - no contest. At increased same power levels - utterly humiliating for the STI.

Not my opinion, don't shoot the messenger, just facts after comparing copious amounts of time-slips/drag race footage.

My 330bhp WRX 12.6
fat-thomas 430bhp STI 12.8

My 0-60 foot 1.884
Big Arfs old 700bhp car 0-60 foot 1.986

when did i do a 12.8 at 430 bhp:lol1: ive only ever run the strip twice and both times with a passenger and when did i say i had 430 bhp. lol you are seriously deluded with sti envy

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:30 PM

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banny sti 26 November 2014 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568975)
Can't I just borrow yours for a few hours and do a youtube SUBARUWRXFAN type review?

Sure if you leave me £7k before you take it....

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11568976)
when did i do a 12.8 at 430 bhp:lol1: ive only ever run the strip twice and both times with a passenger and when did i say i had 430 bhp. lol you are seriously deluded with sti envy

June 2012 @Pod, I was there, I talked to you too, the lad with the Wildcats baseball cap who talked about the front spats?

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11568979)
Sure if you leave me £7k before you take it....

Bit OT, but does it spin in the first 4 gears? I think Tim once told me Brina 2 span in a few of the gears at speed but I think he had the trusty 5 speed.

joe v3sti 26 November 2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568929)
A stock 240bhp JDM WRX v stock 280bhp JDM STI would certainly be interesting on the track and strip. The short rations are very useful for the heavy STI at these levels. Start increasing power levels and it gets really interesting. Don't forget a JDM WRX has AVCS heads, no up-pipe cat, less weight and a TD04 turbo so out of tight corners it could be f**K*ng sensational. An STI owner will always have to stay ahead of the game though as a 280bhp JDM WRX will skin a stock STI on the track. Power at the wheels, spool and car weight will strongly favour the WRX. It's well known that the 2009 WRX WRX was a bit of an embarrassment for Subaru as it was considerably faster then the 2009 STI, I expect many models through the years were. I also expect the brilliant Newage JDM WRX is still an unknown quantity in 2014 due to STI snobbery and good Subaru marketing.

You have 2 options, buy an STI map it to 350 and pay a few hundred converting to a 5 speed - this is contentious but crucial. This in my experience is like adding 100 shot of NOS. The 6 speed at 450, is heavy, responsible for significant transmission loss and is bordering on unusable in 1st and 2nd gear. (I've posted enough revealing 1/4 times on here to not have to prove it further.)

Or buy a JDM WRX and get the aftermarket/STI bits you need to hit 350.

I suppose both WRX/STI options require TBE/fuel pump so it just leaves the need for a £300 VF35/VF34 OR £50-100 TD05 and £100 Pinks.



No body in their right mind is going to put some crappy non dccd 5 speed in place of the superior 6 speed

Joe

banny sti 26 November 2014 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568983)
Bit OT, but does it spin in the first 4 gears? I think Tim once told me Brina 2 span in a few of the gears at speed but I think he had the trusty 5 speed.

The wheels alone are worth more than your entire engine and drivetrain so no not that OT, its only running 330ish on the standard dccd 5 speed box so no it puts it power down properly...

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by joe v3sti (Post 11568984)
No body in their right mind is going to put some crappy non dccd 5 speed in place of the superior 6 speed

Joe

It'd be the first thing I do. It'd be an undeniable like for like step in getting a 350 Imp to 450 without huge costs, obviously if one was to venture beyond 500 then I'd be looking at an alternative (on top of the forging/syvecs/headers etc) to the 6 anyway as I like launching.

That's just for my driving style and budget though. Fcuk me don't go out and put a 5 speed in your 410bhp STI. It's just an observation over the years that the 5 speed or equivalent is a bloody good way of cheating.

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568980)
June 2012 @Pod, I was there, I talked to you too, the lad with the Wildcats baseball cap who talked about the front spats?

about as believable as most of your posts to be fair.

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11568985)
The wheels alone are worth more than your entire engine and drivetrain so no not that OT, its only running 330ish on the standard dccd 5 speed box so no it puts it power down properly...

Like I say, the WRX/STI ratios are beneficial up to a point.

I'd like to compare some time Banny, I'm guessing you could push 11's if driving aggressively?

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11568987)
about as believable as most of your posts to be fair.

TY!

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fat-thomas 26 November 2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568990)

MLR no old wrxs there ;)

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by tubbytommy (Post 11004468)
i go and watch at santa pod quite often on rwyb days as its local to me.
most standard wrxs run in the 14's and standard stis in the 13's.
you need over 400 bhp to get into the 12's in an impreza.

Interesting.


RS_Matt 26 November 2014 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11568997)
MLR no old wrxs there ;)

I'm there, I used to own an Evo believe it or not. My WRX with only 240bhp owned it too.

joe v3sti 26 November 2014 02:59 PM

I have a close ratios Ra 5 speed in my Ra and love it. But there is no denying that the JDM dccd 6 speed I went for is an upgrade

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11569000)
I'm there, I used to own an Evo believe it or not. My WRX with only 240bhp owned it too.

troll on dude!

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by joe v3sti (Post 11569002)
I have a close ratios Ra 5 speed in my Ra and love it. But there is no denying that the JDM dccd 6 speed I went for is an upgrade

TBH I hate 1-2 gears on the 6 and 3-4 on the 5. Can't win! I've nearly totaled the back of 2 local RS4's in 2nd gear but then got left standing by Clio Sports in 3rd gear.

It's frustrating tbh. 5 is great for lights but miserable for rolling starts, It's vice versa with the 6.

I read the early wrx? 5 speeds have perfect ratios but I guess they are rusty or hard to find now.

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11568999)

key word is standard... your wrx runs an sti turbo ;)
also pod is a proper drag strip with a proper sticky surface which makes launching without bogging down an art in 4wd

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11569005)
troll on dude!

It's true!!!! How many times do I have to prove you lot wrong lol

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APIDavid 26 November 2014 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11568976)
when did i do a 12.8 at 430 bhp:lol1: ive only ever run the strip twice and both times with a passenger and when did i say i had 430 bhp. lol you are seriously deluded with sti envy

Without being rude 'Fat Thomas', Maybe you are personally carrying rather more weight than our alien friend.? Just a few kilo's will affect the 60 ft times and an extra passenger will be a liability, more than .2 of a second as well.

APi not-so-slim David

fat-thomas 26 November 2014 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by APIDavid (Post 11569012)
Without being rude 'Fat Thomas', Maybe you are personally carrying rather more weight than our alien friend.? Just a few kilo's will affect the 60 ft times and an extra passenger will be a liability, more than .2 of a second as well.

APi not-so-slim David

possibly lol

RS_Matt 26 November 2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11569007)
key word is standard... your wrx runs an sti turbo ;)
also pod is a proper drag strip with a proper sticky surface which makes launching without bogging down an art in 4wd

Wasn't the TD05 fitted to most pre 97 UK, Euro and WRX cars?


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