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tony de wonderful 20 February 2017 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by dpb (Post 11920856)
I think Sweden should lauded for its immigration model, very few problems relative to the quantity that have been welcomed .
but of course trumps favorite miss informers,sky news, will paint it completely differently

Sweden has the 3rd highest per capita ISIS recruitment.

dpb 20 February 2017 12:43 PM

Exactly

And when was it's last terrorist act

Not the one trump just made up

Torquemada 20 February 2017 05:03 PM

TDW might not be one but this just happens to be typical of how Trump supporters react to any criticism of him - he does something insane/incorrect/wrong/makes a weird statement -> Trump supporter comes up with a completely unrelated stat/fact or criticism of Clinton/Obama.

BUT, EMAILS!!!!!!

markjmd 20 February 2017 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 11920881)
Sweden has the 3rd highest per capita ISIS recruitment.

Wrong. It has the fourth highest per capita of Muslim population (source here).

Measured by the same formula, Ireland and the Maldives both have nearly identical rates of ISIS recruitment, so are we saying they're hotbeds of militant Islamic extremism too?

dpb 20 February 2017 06:25 PM

islam and refugee , that's all the populist followers need to hear

tony de wonderful 20 February 2017 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11920963)
Wrong. It has the fourth highest per capita of Muslim population (source here).

Measured by the same formula, Ireland and the Maldives both have nearly identical rates of ISIS recruitment, so are we saying they're hotbeds of militant Islamic extremism too?

The figures you quoted are NOT per capita.

markjmd 20 February 2017 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 11921013)
The figures you quoted are NOT per capita.

Well doh, I know full well they're not. If you'd been @rsed to do your own research instead of blindly regurgitating whatever stat you saw or heard on whatever paranoid alt-right website you picked it up on, you'd already know that per capita, Sweden doesn't even feature in the top 10 countries for ISIS recruitment. You'd also know that I was in fact cutting you some slack when I conceded in advance that they're fourth per capita of Muslim population :facepalm:

Source #2 here

tony de wonderful 20 February 2017 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11921033)
Well doh, I know full well they're not. If you'd been @rsed to do your own research instead of blindly regurgitating whatever stat you saw or heard on whatever paranoid alt-right website you picked it up on, you'd already know that per capita, Sweden doesn't even feature in the top 10 countries for ISIS recruitment. You'd also know that I was in fact cutting you some slack when I conceded in advance that they're fourth per capita of Muslim population :facepalm:

Source #2 here

It's the 4th out of European countries, and besides the Irish total of 30 fighters is statistically too small to draw conclusions about.

My point was to challenge dpd who held up Sweden as some model for integration.

markjmd 20 February 2017 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 11921043)
It's the 4th out of European countries, and besides the Irish total of 30 fighters is statistically too small to draw conclusions about.

My point was to challenge dpd who held up Sweden as some model for integration.

LOLOL, that's so straight out of the Trump playbook it's almost too perfect. "Don't judge me on what I actually said, judge me on how some of it might be vaguely true if you jumble enough of the words up into the right order and repeat it 3 weeks later when the topic of conversation is something completely different".

Nice try, but I don't think even Trumpy would be dumb enough to fall for that one.

tony de wonderful 20 February 2017 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11921058)
LOLOL, that's so straight out of the Trump playbook it's almost too perfect. "Don't judge me on what I actually said, judge me on how some of it might actually be vaguely true if you jumble enough of the words up into the right order and repeat it 3 weeks later when the topic of conversation is something completely different".

Nice try, but I don't think even Trumpy would be dumb enough to fall for that one.

Dumb enough for what? Hold Sweden up for being a model of integration whilst being 4th biggest ISIS supplier?

markjmd 21 February 2017 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 11921060)
Dumb enough for what? Hold Sweden up for being a model of integration whilst being 4th biggest ISIS supplier?

As you put it so eloquently yourself, those figures are NOT per capita.

dpb 22 February 2017 08:25 AM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...601.html%3Famp

Good job !

( As they say in Yankee land )

trails 22 February 2017 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by tony de wonderful (Post 11921060)
Dumb enough for what? Hold Sweden up for being a model of integration whilst being 4th biggest ISIS supplier?


but surely that IS an indication of good integration; its got to be easier to recruit when the recruiters are already a part of that society? :wonder:

dpb 22 February 2017 09:02 AM

you would have thought so !

:rolleyes:

dpb 22 February 2017 09:06 AM

mind you trumps prompted some riots there now , so tdw etc can say they were right all , after all

its all over the , yankee, papers

neil-h 25 February 2017 10:17 AM

Another day goes by and the similarities between Trumps America and Hitler's Germany grow larger :lol1:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39085235

dpb 25 February 2017 10:42 AM

The ONLY one of his trusted news outlets I would trust is Reuters !




I guess he simply didn't have the nerve to eliminate them

dpb 03 April 2017 08:06 PM

Thank goodness trump isn't actually in charge anything serious

David Lock 04 April 2017 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by dpb (Post 11930643)
Thank goodness trump isn't actually in charge anything serious

Like the world?

Or his golf course..........

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dpb 07 April 2017 01:25 AM

Thankfully there's also some sensible people in the USA . :cool:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...866.html%3Famp

steve05wrx 07 April 2017 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by dpb (Post 11931299)
Thankfully there's also some sensible people in the USA . :cool:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...866.html%3Famp

On a more serious note:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...kes-Syria.html

Whatever you say about Trump - he does not sit on his thumbs like Obama did.

neil-h 07 April 2017 09:22 AM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...cacfda2ba4.jpg

**** yeah.

Martin2005 07 April 2017 10:21 AM

I'm no fan of Trump, however....


I applaud his action against Assad. The message should go out loud and clear that if he uses chemical weapons again, HE and his regime will pay a terrible price.


Well done the US

Tidgy 07 April 2017 10:28 AM

Russia has already said they can't do anything about it. Only option would be try and take out some US forces, and they arn't gonna risk a full open war they can't win.

dpb 07 April 2017 10:50 AM

you just wish theyd taken that ***t out solo . A long time ago


but then we put him there start with

An0n0m0us 07 April 2017 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11931341)
I'm no fan of Trump, however....


I applaud his action against Assad. The message should go out loud and clear that if he uses chemical weapons again, HE and his regime will pay a terrible price.


Well done the US

I completely agree. I can't stand Trump but in this instance this is the first thing he has got right.

Someone needed to have the balls to stand up to Assad and Putin and he has done with decisive action that says if you continue there will be more to come.

Turbohot 07 April 2017 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by steve05wrx (Post 11931300)
On a more serious note:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...kes-Syria.html

Whatever you say about Trump - he does not sit on his thumbs like Obama did.


Absolutely.

Trump has taken a humane step, with his spontaneity and simplicity; as opposed to all that complexity, worldly knowledge and 'think twice before you make your move' experience that Obama, Clinton types held their heads high with. I'm quite a fan of simplicity; all the faults of Trump aside. All those faults can simply be there due to his simplicity. This latest action by him makes me think of him differently. Let's see how it all progresses, and what else gets done.

A lot is being discussed on FB. Many people are calling it a 'blood-for-blood' bloody step, causing more killing of innocent people. I get that sometimes, there's no other alternative.

Let's see how Mister Putin kicks off now, and what his next move will be.

dpb 07 April 2017 01:37 PM

I don't see anything wrong at all with taking out runways that could even possibly have been used for this kind of attack

ALi-B 07 April 2017 01:51 PM

The irony here is Obama got Nobel peace prize and allowed atrocities like this to happen by being totally non-comitting on the subject.
Yet Trump takes action and will probably never even be considered. (Not that it bothers me, but it makes it more poignant that Obama was never deserving of one).

Peedee 07 April 2017 02:07 PM

Scoobynet in agreement :luxhello:

Done the right thing imo. By targeting a single airfield, he's made a clear point.


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