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Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225080)
Is that the best comment you can do , a post for the count sake if ever I saw one
Now you can nod back off ,,, nighty night ;) Why not leave the mapping threads to those that actually know what they are talking about and have something interesting to say? Give it some thought (should be a long wait ;) ) |
Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11224681)
So who or how many have had a blow up with the 2.0 engine
I don't mean blown h/g or bottom end knock Surely people are allowed their own description of what happens to their cars? And their choice of adjective to describe what has happened is bound to be coloured by many things, available budget to fix it and the severity (in their experience) of what has happened. To some people with a lack of mechanical knowledge or perhaps running a high performance car on a tight budget, a HG failure is as good as a 'blow-up' because they might struggle to get it fixed for any number of reasons. Whereas someone who tracks their high power mega-buck build car would accept a HG failure as 'just one of those things'. Just because their choice of language doesn't fit in with what you accept as a 'blow-up' doesn't mean they haven't suffered what to them is a catastrophic failure. Is it really necessary for an engine to be completely destroyed for it to warrant the term 'blown-up'? Isn't a melted ring land or knocking bearing the first symptom of what will inevitably become a full on 'blow-up' if left unattended? We're not talking about nuclear devices here, just the kind of language people use to describe a mechanical failure. And if they think their failure was caused in some way by a faulty map, a Spanish Inquisition style thread like this one will serve no purpose in establishing the truth. Because they plainly don't know the truth. :thumb: |
Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225003)
Lol , tidge you keep telling this story
I really didnt want this turning into another bloody boring mapping thread , but it seems most seem to think that most cars blow up because of bad mapping Even though we've got stories above of plenty of blow ups on vehicles that can't even be mapped So it's not , age / fatigue , poor oil/ maintenance , driving without mechanical sympathy, mods done by clueless folk , poor fuel quality ,poor quality parts from Subaru ? It's all caused by bad mapping ,,, now come on !! I have spoke to Kev and he also pointed summat else out about the trials and tribulations of mapping , there's two sides to every story and one of the reasons I wouldn't go into mapping as a profession , even if my name was tony pat simon Duncan bob h the third , and I was the most talented experienced mapper the world has seen Ok mappings responsible you say ,,,, how ? Let's take classics O/S is not available for classics , so you've ruled out what you would call true amateurs for starters So that leaves , after market ecu , ecutek , esl and the like Anyone who's fitting anything like this is not gonna be clueless If they are it makes a total mockery of what's been said on previous threads If your fitting these parts /mapping and keep blowing cars up your gonna be asking some serious questions , to yourself and suppliers Ecutek , superior support , maps and back up , your gonna refer back to them After market , " hey Steve I've fitted these ecus and cars are blowing " Esl , the same , ect , ect So if your fitting /using these parts your gonna be asking questions Long before you've blown 7 cars or more , even for your own piece of mind if not the customer Now newage Same above applies but with the addition of o/s and true DIY mapping But the added advantage of a very smart ecu The chances of mapping a new age so wrong that instant damage will occur is slim It will soon tell you something's wrong and will do all it can to save things It'll pull back and try and save the motor whenever poss That's not to say you couldn't get it drastically wrong , but if it was that wrong it would become apparent during mapping and even a total cabbage would know summats wrong I got sent a map recently to cast my eyes over and it was ****e , didn't even have to look past the timing and fueling to see it was so wrong The car was running on it and as far as I know hadn't blown up , some might say they were suprised it didn't , it was probably just pulling back and trying to save itself So there's my points as to why I don't believe that mapping is the biggest contributing factor in blow ups Now I'm gonna finish my coffee and take the dog out :) |
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Between myself, my dad and my best mate we've seen 4 ej20's off. 3 sti's and a UK spec 1 blown hole in piston (pic) stock ecu, breather mods, red lined in 5th n let go, we think due to lack of fuel in cylinder 4 1 cracked piston. maped by jgm, believe 4th injector starved of fuel same as above Combo of hg failure and bottom end. Type r with breather mods stock ecu, think was maped for 100ron in japland with aggressive timing, we think 98ron wasn't up to the job 1 bottom end (UK spec) Rb5 wr. driven hard all its life, 70k in and shells had enough, good innings for such an abused engine in all fairness. Now I wouldn't say any of them 'blew up'! But one did blow a hole in a piston.... And another did blow a hole in the headgasket...... Damn I gota stop thinking about blowing, I'm getting horny! Lol I've always wanted to shoot a rod through a bonnet so I still mess around with scoobies! |
Originally Posted by tom-r33
(Post 11225229)
I've always wanted to shoot a rod through a bonnet so I still mess around with scoobies!
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11225242)
put a strong gearbox in one and then down shift into 2nd instead of 4th or even 5th to 1st, that will see the rod gone,,,,,,,,, hahahahaha
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 11225247)
Yeah but would that qualify as a blow up? :D
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Here ya go let go from 20min @ 120mph piston in two pieces squashed the rod and snapped the bottom of the rod off where it meets the crank putting a fairly large hole in the block
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0147.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0140.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0131.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...IMG_0117-1.jpg Oh and the car still drove and ticked over lol |
Not entirely understanding the point of the thread...but yes I have suffered catastrophic failure.
Snapped a rod, put broken end through the top of the block, piston hit the head and bent two valves. MY00 with an AFP 18g and full supporting mods (Apexi ECU). Following a car dawdling along at 60 on a dual carriageway, WOT in fifth and BANG! All my fault, fitted a 3" exhaust and didn't get the map tweaked. Boost spike killed it. |
As in all things, the less chaps know about a piece of machinery, the fewer words they'll use to describe its demise.
What actually happened; Chasing Astra VXR on the by pass. Loss of power, slight at first. Foot still firmly planted as you don't want the Astra to get away with it. The power loss increases, along with engine noise. Still keeps foot down as you're nearly alongside him and the GF won't be impressed if he beats you to the Maccy D roundabout. The noise suddenly gets louder, followed by severe power loss and steam coming out of the bonnet vents. You come to a shuddering stop with a horrific banging noise as the engine breathes its last. You sit in silence, listening to hissing and gurgling as the Astra speeds away. GF not impressed. You open the bonnet. There is oil and steaming water all over the shop. Of course you realise that the bearings have suffered a failure of oil retention due to too much clearance. The subsequent lack of pressurised oil film has allowed the bearing surface to come into contact with the crank journal. The resulting hammering has loosened the shell clips, and the shells have spun in the rod. Naturally the resulting unlubricated friction has caused total siezure and the rod has snapped, poking through the top of the block, taking the alloy water cross feed with it. You close the bonnet, fully aware that not only has your engine failed, but the GF won't be as obliging as she might have been previous to the breakdown miles from home. People sat in Maccy D's munching undercooked fries are staring and pointing as your car appears to be on fire. What he said happened; "Me motor blew up" |
Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11225328)
As in all things, the less chaps know about a piece of machinery, the fewer words they'll use to describe its demise.
What actually happened; Chasing Astra VXR on the by pass. Loss of power, slight at first. Foot still firmly planted as you don't want the Astra to get away with it. The power loss increases, along with engine noise. Still keeps foot down as you're nearly alongside him and the GF won't be impressed if he beats you to the Maccy D roundabout. The noise suddenly gets louder, followed by severe power loss and steam coming out of the bonnet vents. You come to a shuddering stop with a horrific banging noise as the engine breathes its last. You sit in silence, listening to hissing and gurgling as the Astra speeds away. GF not impressed. You open the bonnet. There is oil and steaming water all over the shop. Of course you realise that the bearings have suffered a failure of oil retention due to too much clearance. The subsequent lack of pressurised oil film has allowed the bearing surface to come into contact with the crank journal. The resulting hammering has loosened the shell clips, and the shells have spun in the rod. Naturally the resulting unlubricated friction has caused total siezure and the rod has snapped, poking through the top of the block, taking the alloy water cross feed with it. You close the bonnet, fully aware that not only has your engine failed, but the GF won't be as obliging as she might have been previous to the breakdown miles from home. People sat in Maccy D's munching undercooked fries are staring and pointing as your car appears to be on fire. What he said happened; "Me motor blew up" |
Originally Posted by trails
(Post 11225333)
is that directed at me Alan? :wonder:
I was typing that while you posted, it's a sweeping generalisation based on a pastiche of customer's woes. And of course, I don't know you from Adam.. |
Mine running lovely and has been for years.
its a 2.0 sti car. its modded and used daily. i put its reliability down to proper maintenance and the fact its not mapped by a have a go hero. |
Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11225342)
Not unless that was you! :lol1:
I was typing that while you posted, it's a sweeping generalisation based on a pastiche of customer's woes. And of course, I don't know you from Adam.. I'm Adam shorter grumpier younger brother ;) |
Originally Posted by tubbytommy
(Post 11225359)
i put its reliability down to proper maintenance and the fact its not mapped by a have a go hero.
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**** your Scooby net , I'm not the one that started the mapping bollocks on this thread I was just interested in blow ups , I've helped more folk on here in my short time in both time and financially and have gained very little in return other than comments from useless ****wits like f1 fan , let clever ****ers like him carry on helping folk out , not that I've seen him actually do much , ****in prick
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Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225517)
**** your Scooby net , I'm not the one that started the mapping bollocks on this thread I was just interested in blow ups , I've helped more folk on here in my short time in both time and financially and have gained very little in return other than comments from useless ****wits like f1 fan , let clever ****ers like him carry on helping folk out , not that I've seen him actually do much , ****in prick
I'm out :lol: sounds like jimmyinrugby. Everyone has their own description of motor failure. The most common being, it's blown up. Now put the dummy back in kidda !! |
Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225517)
**** your Scooby net , I'm not the one that started the mapping bollocks on this thread I was just interested in blow ups , I've helped more folk on here in my short time in both time and financially and have gained very little in return other than comments from useless ****wits like f1 fan , let clever ****ers like him carry on helping folk out , not that I've seen him actually do much , ****in prick
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It's an open forum geeza, anyone can post or say pretty much anything, unfortunatley a lot of cocks appear to be spending time doing just that on here at the moment
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Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225517)
**** your Scooby net , I'm not the one that started the mapping bollocks on this thread I was just interested in blow ups , I've helped more folk on here in my short time in both time and financially and have gained very little in return other than comments from useless ****wits like f1 fan , let clever ****ers like him carry on helping folk out , not that I've seen him actually do much , ****in prick
I'm out |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11225831)
:lol::lol::lol: Priceless, now that's a blow up ;)
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Toneh just pure LOL's
you really need to chill out before you get renamed jimmyinrugby2 |
Originally Posted by nizmo80
(Post 11225840)
Toneh just pure LOL's
you really need to chill out before you get renamed jimmyinrugby2 Never mind |
Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11224698)
Nah mate , it's just I keep seeing folk write " it'll blow up "
But all I keep reading is " I think my h/g is gone " Or " bottom end is knocking " Which is far from a blow up I want to hear of melted stuff an bits of aluminium strewn all over the road If you're gonna do it, might as well do it in style I guess! :D |
Originally Posted by toneh
(Post 11225841)
I've been compared to him before, heard all about it
Never mind |
Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11225328)
As in all things, the less chaps know about a piece of machinery, the fewer words they'll use to describe its demise.
What actually happened; Chasing Astra VXR on the by pass. Loss of power, slight at first. Foot still firmly planted as you don't want the Astra to get away with it. The power loss increases, along with engine noise. Still keeps foot down as you're nearly alongside him and the GF won't be impressed if he beats you to the Maccy D roundabout. The noise suddenly gets louder, followed by severe power loss and steam coming out of the bonnet vents. You come to a shuddering stop with a horrific banging noise as the engine breathes its last. You sit in silence, listening to hissing and gurgling as the Astra speeds away. GF not impressed. You open the bonnet. There is oil and steaming water all over the shop. Of course you realise that the bearings have suffered a failure of oil retention due to too much clearance. The subsequent lack of pressurised oil film has allowed the bearing surface to come into contact with the crank journal. The resulting hammering has loosened the shell clips, and the shells have spun in the rod. Naturally the resulting unlubricated friction has caused total siezure and the rod has snapped, poking through the top of the block, taking the alloy water cross feed with it. You close the bonnet, fully aware that not only has your engine failed, but the GF won't be as obliging as she might have been previous to the breakdown miles from home. People sat in Maccy D's munching undercooked fries are staring and pointing as your car appears to be on fire. What he said happened; "Me motor blew up" 1) It was Burger King :thumb: 2) What he actually said was "Me motor blew up" .... and then went on SN to post a thread in the general section entitled: "Subarus are ****e, chocolate pistons, blah, blah" And then another in SN technical section entitled: "Need a 600bhp engine on a 99p budget " :thumb: |
Originally Posted by mark type ra
(Post 11225270)
Here ya go let go from 20min @ 120mph piston in two pieces squashed the rod and snapped the bottom of the rod off where it meets the crank putting a fairly large hole in the block
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0147.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0140.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...k/IMG_0131.jpg http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s...IMG_0117-1.jpg Oh and the car still drove and ticked over lol |
Lol, tony chill the feck out, it's only snet clowns as per, you bitting is what feeds them
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Thing is you really need to know these cars, how to treat them and what to look out for, and even then with the best maintenance and mechanical sympathy it's possible to have a catastrophic failure.
These cars are budget high performance cars, if the likes of porsche struggle to make reliable cars what chance does subaru have doing it at a fraction of the cost. Subaru's box way above their weight class and do a pretty fine job of bringing high performance to the masses for very little moola, the odd failure is to be expected really, only problem being the folks that buy them often don't have the disposable wonga to throw at them in the same manner as the porsche driver, so we all come on here b!tching and looking for someone to blame. Welcome to the wonderful world of performance motor cars.:thumb: |
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