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joshnosh 08 September 2013 12:12 AM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 11202573)

... what you need is acid dipping :thumb:

What you need is to respect others peoples tastes and points of view

joshnosh 08 September 2013 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11202729)
Not the only option at all.
Mine runs a Forge recirc valve.

Joshnosh: you get more noise from a recirc valve if you go with an induction kit, BUT they can knacker your maf.

Iv heard this as well. I may risk it at some point.
Dose anyone know how much a maf is offhand?

lordharding 08 September 2013 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by joshnosh (Post 11202413)
Yeah yeah yeah I've read them all befor. I don't give a **** what you think

:facepalm:

Here we go again
Why start another thread as its been well covered numourous times ?
Maybe show some respect to the high posters who post reasons why dump valves cause problems :D

Most of us have moved to a specialist forum on fb to discuss issues such as dump valve ,fake roof vents ,dodgy graphics and ill fitting body kits

You will need the special password to join though
Pm tubby for it

53 08 September 2013 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by joshnosh (Post 11202789)
What you need is to respect others peoples tastes and points of view

Nah, Psssssst off :D :thumb:

Mustoe91 08 September 2013 09:08 AM

I've got a turbo smart vee port on mine which is coming off £60 and it's yours

ditchmyster 08 September 2013 09:22 AM

If that's what you want mate just buy one and bolt it on, jobs a good un.:thumb:

joshnosh 08 September 2013 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by lordharding (Post 11202824)

:facepalm:

Here we go again
Why start another thread as its been well covered numourous times ?
Maybe show some respect to the high posters who post reasons why dump valves cause problems :D

Most of us have moved to a specialist forum on fb to discuss issues such as dump valve ,fake roof vents ,dodgy graphics and ill fitting body kits

You will need the special password to join though
Pm tubby for it


1 this hasn't been covered before as far as I could see for the searches. I wanted to actually ask as well not just read tid bits

2 this isn't my first forum. The amount of posts that someone has means little towards how much they know. Its often worse as they have self inflated ideas about them self's and have been exposed to years of miss information that's exclusive to the forum

Other forums iv been on people have fitted dump valves to maf cars and it'd been common practice and even recommended.

Iv already read the dump valve threads and I know vta and maf is not a good idea. Hence why im not doing it.

I care about the technical aspects but not peoples opinions on what looks and sounds good, chavy, bad. So don't bother posting if your just looking to have a go or take the piss.

joshnosh 08 September 2013 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Mustoe91 (Post 11202891)
I've got a turbo smart vee port on mine which is coming off £60 and it's yours

Is this a vta valve?
Cheers

yabbadoo4 08 September 2013 12:02 PM

what i dont get is if they are so bad why dont mappers refuse to map cars that have them fitted? if they are the ticking time bomb certain people claim them to be you would think they wouldnt entertain cars with them fitted as the owners would be knocking down their doors complaining after the engines went pop 6 months later? or even a verbal disclaimer before mapping commences saying he will map the car on the understanding that he takes no responsibility because a dump valve is fitted?

joshnosh 08 September 2013 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by yabbadoo4 (Post 11203058)
what i dont get is if they are so bad why dont mappers refuse to map cars that have them fitted? if they are the ticking time bomb certain people claim them to be you would think they wouldnt entertain cars with them fitted as the owners would be knocking down their doors complaining after the engines went pop 6 months later? or even a verbal disclaimer before mapping commences saying he will map the car on the understanding that he takes no responsibility because a dump valve is fitted?

This is a fair point. Iv seen cars throw check lights because of vtas never ever heard off one actually blowing up.

DmcL 08 September 2013 05:38 PM

from my own (limited) experience with recirc and VTA on my 06 WRX.. VTA is not as much of a problem as people make out, either that or the VTA valve im running just happens to work nicely and others dont?

i first tried removing and capping off the recirc pipe and left the standard valve venting to atmosphere. this caused the car to want to stall alot of the time after venting. i then tried a cheap no frills ebay VTA valve and it works like a charm. no stalling, no wanting to stall, no issues with noticeable hesitation after changing gears and honestly i cant really tell much if any difference in initial pick up in the next gear when driving hard compared to the standard recirc valve. if you want the noise id suggest one of the ebay VTA valves, they give you BOV noise without any problems and are nice and cheap so when/if you get bored with VTA your not at a significant loss if you want to switch back to the standard recirc or an aftermarket recirc.



additionally on my 06 WRX since i fitted a catback to the car it will now pop nearly every time the turbo starts to spool or is spooled up and i lift off the throttle. i did expect that though as VTA causes a momentary rich spike as metered air that has already passed through the MAF is venting out of the system but the ECU still injects fuel for the amount of air that has been measured. doesnt do any harm and sounds pretty cool but ill openly admit theres no point whatsoever for it other than putting a grin on your face until you get bored with it lol

this is the one i got: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2513015025...84.m1439.l2649

also you will need a suiably sized bung for the recirc hose, i measured it up and went and got myself one of these which did the job: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2906542896...84.m1439.l2649

all in cost me about £35 so not going to break the bank and for that price you wouldnt be too worried binning it in future when/if you get bored with the noise.

also FWIW if your looking to do some basic mods that wont upset the ECU i can tell you that a panel filter and catback work nicely and dont cause any problems ECU wise. i will be mapping my WRX myself in future but for now im happy with the 256bhp/262lbft she put out recently on the rollers with the catback and panel filter (and pointless VTA valve).

*matthewturb2000* 08 September 2013 06:01 PM

ive a blue twin horn GFB 100s dump valve for sale 40 delivered shes a beauty and loud

mickywrx 08 September 2013 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 11202716)
VTA or a DV delete is the only option on a FMIC car so you're ok Rob ;)

No it's not Stu.

FMIC and OEM recirc here. :)

53 08 September 2013 07:50 PM

It's a punt though that it will cope with 1.4 bar :)

tubbytommy 08 September 2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by mickywrx (Post 11203385)
No it's not Stu.

FMIC and OEM recirc here. :)

me too but you cant beat wrong advice:thumb:

53 08 September 2013 08:23 PM

There's a world of difference between a V1/2 WRX OEM recirc and a Newage recirc in terms of age and reliability :) I wouldn't run the V1/2 OEM item at 1.4 bar but it doesn't mean you can't, personal choice but not necessarily the right one :)

And it still doesn't detract from the fact that running a VTA for the sole purposes of a 'pssssst' makes you a massive bellend :thumb:

joshnosh 08 September 2013 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 11203483)
There's a world of difference between a V1/2 WRX OEM recirc and a Newage recirc in terms of age and reliability :) I wouldn't run the V1/2 OEM item at 1.4 bar but it doesn't mean you can't, personal choice but not necessarily the right one :)

And it still doesn't detract from the fact that running a VTA for the sole purposes of a 'pssssst' makes you a massive bellend :thumb:

f*** off already

53 08 September 2013 09:03 PM

:lol:

joshnosh 08 September 2013 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by *matthewturb2000* (Post 11203321)
ive a blue twin horn GFB 100s dump valve for sale 40 delivered shes a beauty and loud

I love the gfb bits but dispute what I'm saying I don't actually want it loud I just wanted it louader than it is.
I want it to be considered loud for a recirc not vta with a huge horn loud lol

Busterbulldog 08 September 2013 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by joshnosh (Post 11202801)
Iv heard this as well. I may risk it at some point.
Dose anyone know how much a maf is offhand?

I know sod all much about tuning,but...I do know from experience that failure of your maf can feck your engine as it runs so bad when it fails.

joshnosh 08 September 2013 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by DmcL (Post 11203290)
from my own (limited) experience with recirc and VTA on my 06 WRX.. VTA is not as much of a problem as people make out, either that or the VTA valve im running just happens to work nicely and others dont?

i first tried removing and capping off the recirc pipe and left the standard valve venting to atmosphere. this caused the car to want to stall alot of the time after venting. i then tried a cheap no frills ebay VTA valve and it works like a charm. no stalling, no wanting to stall, no issues with noticeable hesitation after changing gears and honestly i cant really tell much if any difference in initial pick up in the next gear when driving hard compared to the standard recirc valve. if you want the noise id suggest one of the ebay VTA valves, they give you BOV noise without any problems and are nice and cheap so when/if you get bored with VTA your not at a significant loss if you want to switch back to the standard recirc or an aftermarket recirc.

additionally on my 06 WRX since i fitted a catback to the car it will now pop nearly every time the turbo starts to spool or is spooled up and i lift off the throttle. i did expect that though as VTA causes a momentary rich spike as metered air that has already passed through the MAF is venting out of the system but the ECU still injects fuel for the amount of air that has been measured. doesnt do any harm and sounds pretty cool but ill openly admit theres no point whatsoever for it other than putting a grin on your face until you get bored with it lol

this is the one i got: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2513015025...84.m1439.l2649

also you will need a suiably sized bung for the recirc hose, i measured it up and went and got myself one of these which did the job: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2906542896...84.m1439.l2649

all in cost me about £35 so not going to break the bank and for that price you wouldnt be too worried binning it in future when/if you get bored with the noise.

also FWIW if your looking to do some basic mods that wont upset the ECU i can tell you that a panel filter and catback work nicely and dont cause any problems ECU wise. i will be mapping my WRX myself in future but for now im happy with the 256bhp/262lbft she put out recently on the rollers with the catback and panel filter (and pointless VTA valve).

Haha that sounds fun. I may run a vta for a month just for sh*ts and giggles and get the bigest chavest one I can find and get it out my system haha. I'm quite happy with the exhaust at the moment. It's a standard one with a prodrive backbox. Quite subtile but sounds nice. I'd like to decat though at lease the one before the turbo if not all.

Mustoe91 08 September 2013 09:14 PM

Just pm'd you josh

joshnosh 08 September 2013 10:14 PM

has anyone tired the semi recerc valves?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GFB-BLOW-O...-/221173689513

or the adjustable ones?
http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/p...p?partno=T9025

iv seen these used before
real nice bits. a fair bit off money but adjustable would be really good. that way i can turn it right up for when i go see da boys down at maccy ds car park on firday nights without runining ma motor

alcazar 09 September 2013 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 11202761)
What boost are you running ? Forge wouldn't guarantee my Forge recirc above OEM boost so not really an option at 1.4 bar :) Forge disclaimer that it's not designed to be run at higher than standard boost. Therefore in terms of FMIC I can only relay manufacturers recommendations for the Forge Recirc :) Leaving you the option of a VTA or a DV delete :)


Running it capped at 1.5 bar, mapped by Bob Rawle, who also recommended and sold me the d/v/.

Joshnosh: avoid Bailey valves, they are trouble;)

53 09 September 2013 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11204084)
Running it capped at 1.5 bar, mapped by Bob Rawle, who also recommended and sold me the d/v/.

Joshnosh: avoid Bailey valves, they are trouble;)

Fair enough :) All I can do is relay the information supplied/emailed to me by Forge when I specified that I wanted to run their Recirc on a V2 STi running 1.4 bar on a FMIC set up. If you are using it that's great but it doesn't change the fact that it's being used outside the spec of the manufacturers recommendations :) I wasn't prepared at the time to spend over £100 on a shiney part that could fail being used above OEM boost :thumb:

*matthewturb2000* 09 September 2013 01:28 PM

josh why not get a electronic dump valve put a switch in the dash the you can turn it on when you want the noise

alcazar 09 September 2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 11204104)
Fair enough :) All I can do is relay the information supplied/emailed to me by Forge when I specified that I wanted to run their Recirc on a V2 STi running 1.4 bar on a FMIC set up. If you are using it that's great but it doesn't change the fact that it's being used outside the spec of the manufacturers recommendations :) I wasn't prepared at the time to spend over £100 on a shiney part that could fail being used above OEM boost :thumb:

I never bothered asking Forge: if Bob Rawle said it would be OK, it will;)

TBH, many manufacturers, when asked about components, go into CYA mode.

Just like my Scoob: when I had it from new, the manufacturers stated 0-60 time was 5.9 sec. It would do it in 5.2-5.4 once run in, but they won't state that, as some tw@ will rag one from new, then complain it won't do it.

joshnosh 09 September 2013 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by *matthewturb2000* (Post 11204120)
josh why not get a electronic dump valve put a switch in the dash the you can turn it on when you want the noise

Could do. Wouldn't I not be running valveless most off the time though then?

joshnosh 09 September 2013 11:22 PM

Just to clarify as i might have misslead. I said I wanted more but I don't actualy want a great big dirty vta that sounds like a 747. I just want some noise. Its a powerful turbo car and its got no noise at the moment. My astra had more induction noise when I had a cone on it. So yeah just some noise not loads

tubbytommy 09 September 2013 11:25 PM

Its not a powerful car, its a wrx :)


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