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SRSport 11 February 2013 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Orangio (Post 10985588)
Haven't you wrote in your first post that your looking at selling your scooby for a cheap run around, and then your talking about paying £500+ a month :wonder:

£500 pm isn't cheap :lol1:

£500 for a company car? How much would PCP be a month on the same car?

SRSport 11 February 2013 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by Brun (Post 10985658)
People don't believe me when I say how many VAGs I see parked on the hard shoulder - someone on a thread last year didn't believe me so I went to the trouble of taking note over a 6 week period and it went something like - of 21 cars broken down, 14 were VW group and 9 of those were Audis iirc :eek:

I believe you and would never touch a VW again, well not until they sort their quality control out anyway, same with Mercedes. Do Skodas have the same reliability issues as all I hear are good things about the VRS.

Brun 11 February 2013 09:05 PM

185k and counting with the only mot failure being a leaky steering rack :D
Still on original clutch, battery, turbo and exhaust :D

SRSport 11 February 2013 09:17 PM

That is really odd. How can Skoda get it right yet VW/Audi, the premium arm of VAG get it so wrong?

Brun 11 February 2013 09:22 PM

God knows :D

SRSport 11 February 2013 09:39 PM

These are pretty impressive ratings from 125 owners. Would be a little hesitant in buying a car that size with 200bhp though.

Brun 11 February 2013 09:42 PM

It is a Golf underneath so I'm guessing they can't be that weighty :)

SRSport 11 February 2013 09:44 PM

Hmm, they look chunky. I thought they were more Passat size than Golf. I started another thread on here regarding a Lancer Ralliart being a possible next car, I may have found another contender.

Brun 11 February 2013 09:47 PM

1360kg from what I can see on the interset :D

mattvortex 13 February 2013 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by marshall332bhp (Post 10983467)
Tbh I hate mercs from spending over 10 years as a painter in the motor trade.Yes they do rust like mad. They don't drive nice at all from my experience unless the very latest models have had some vast improvments. I just don't like the feel of them on the road. They do look nice the new ones but for me I prefer the audis. Mine is the s line although there isn't a massive spec difference granted but the ride and handling are improved. This is only my view. I no what I like and how I like to drive but no doubt the usual p#*^%s will pipe up soon.

What year Mercedes though? I know there build quality was shocking from 1999-2006 but supposed to be back on form after that.

SRSport 13 February 2013 07:16 PM

That was build quality. There is plenty more I could go into from my experience. Rusting is another issue and I have rusting panels that are 2-3 years old.

nik52wrx 13 February 2013 08:27 PM

I would be interested too as i have a 2012 C class on my short list for a replacement car later this year.....

Nik

quote=mattvortex;10988613]What year Mercedes though? I know there build quality was shocking from 1999-2006 but supposed to be back on form after that.[/quote]

Littleted 13 February 2013 08:33 PM

Gonna say surely they have a corrosion warranty

marshall332bhp 13 February 2013 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by mattvortex (Post 10988613)
What year Mercedes though? I know there build quality was shocking from 1999-2006 but supposed to be back on form after that.

Last merc I done paint work on was probably a 10 plate. Painted the bonnet and when i feathered back the stone chips the corrosion wasn't just where the chip had broke the galv it had crepet right under it so a tiny chip was about 2 inches across. Not good as the car was a year old at max.

SRSport 14 February 2013 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Littleted (Post 10988919)
Gonna say surely they have a corrosion warranty

Only if you keep the servicing within the MB dealership. They have a 30 year policy which after 6 is almost impossible to claim... that's just the MB way, and logic unfortunately.

SRSport 14 February 2013 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by marshall332bhp (Post 10989025)
Last merc I done paint work on was probably a 10 plate. Painted the bonnet and when i feathered back the stone chips the corrosion wasn't just where the chip had broke the galv it had crepet right under it so a tiny chip was about 2 inches across. Not good as the car was a year old at max.

My mate had a 1 year old SL AMG with rust on the boot. He didn't have any issues getting it done for free though.

marshall332bhp 14 February 2013 04:37 PM

Irrespective of it getting done for free it just shouldn't happen should it. Such a massive company with a good reputation but this problem seems to slip everybody's minds.

SRSport 14 February 2013 09:00 PM

No it shouldnt. Mercedes handling of issues like this makes it even worse. There are some pretty horrific stories on mbcub.co.uk one where Mercedes kept a customers car for 6 years as there was a dispute over who should claim against warranty work. Mercedes eventually lost in court but they dragged it on with counter claims and appeals in the hope that the customer would be worn down and realise that the depreciation would be the biggest lost. It was stubbornness and principle that made the customer dig his heals in.
Mercedes then won a lawsuit that prevented the customer from divulging for 5 years and only now has this come to light.

marshall332bhp 14 February 2013 09:10 PM

That is disgusting!! I personally wouldn't spend my hard earned on a merc they just don't tick a single box for me what so ever but for people who do love them and spend money on them it's a shocking way to repay them for buying there cars!

nik52wrx 14 February 2013 09:17 PM

Link?

I'd like to read the full story on how a car can be held for 6 years :eek:

Nik



Originally Posted by SRSport (Post 10990527)
No it shouldnt. Mercedes handling of issues like this makes it even worse. There are some pretty horrific stories on mbcub.co.uk one where Mercedes kept a customers car for 6 years as there was a dispute over who should claim against warranty work. Mercedes eventually lost in court but they dragged it on with counter claims and appeals in the hope that the customer would be worn down and realise that the depreciation would be the biggest lost. It was stubbornness and principle that made the customer dig his heals in.
Mercedes then won a lawsuit that prevented the customer from divulging for 5 years and only now has this come to light.


SRSport 14 February 2013 09:20 PM

Ill have a look. I read it a year ago and couldnt find the link the last time I mentioned it on here. I dont know whether it was under legal advice but it appears to have disappeared. Either that or Im not searching properly.

Edit - Ive given up Im afraid after 20 minutes. I cant remember what the fault was and have tried all combinations of words that I can remember, 'held at dealers', '5 years courts', etc.
They held it as he refused to pay for the work.

SRSport 18 February 2013 05:30 PM

Ive just this minute contacted the dealer after finding more rust. The door in question has already been replaced, so that would make it 3 different rear offside doors over its 6 1/2 year life due to rust!

Littleted 18 February 2013 06:13 PM

that's sad, I wont have mine for more than 3 years as it will be a company 1.

slowly going off mercs.

To be honest Vauxhalls have been good to me, easy to fix cheap and not too bad to drive.

romford-boy 18 February 2013 11:03 PM

Don't go off mercs, I was lucky enough to have a brand new C250 Eco Blue Thingy Diesel on hire last year, doing some good fun journeys like Essex to Holyhead by way of the lakes and valleys.

One day I needed to get to Preston from London, during rush hour, she pulled to 140 on the M6 toll as well as, if not better than the Scoob, and given my heavy right foot did a heck of a good mpg - not sure what other car would have done this journey at this speed at a better mpg:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...j/c9dc058f.jpg

But perhaps of more relevance is that having driven a decent range of vehicles in 2012 I noted that only in the Merc would I get to the end of the journey and realise the car had done EVERYTHING perfectly, I would travel 200+ miles and not have touched a single solitary button during that time, not been uncomfortable or left tired. And on top of that it made you realise just how crap the steering is in Audis.

SRSport 18 February 2013 11:24 PM

Different people place different values on cars. When you do not need to pay for any repairs yourself you see cars very differently to how those who do see them.

Brun 18 February 2013 11:33 PM


One day I needed to get to Preston from London, during rush hour, she pulled to 140 on the M6 toll
Well done - there's nowt like going steady in rush hour!

romford-boy 19 February 2013 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Brun (Post 10996185)
Well done - there's nowt like going steady in rush hour!

I'm yet to see any traffic on the M6 toll! :)

marshall332bhp 19 February 2013 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by romford-boy (Post 10996139)
Don't go off mercs, I was lucky enough to have a brand new C250 Eco Blue Thingy Diesel on hire last year, doing some good fun journeys like Essex to Holyhead by way of the lakes and valleys.

One day I needed to get to Preston from London, during rush hour, she pulled to 140 on the M6 toll as well as, if not better than the Scoob, and given my heavy right foot did a heck of a good mpg - not sure what other car would have done this journey at this speed at a better mpg:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...j/c9dc058f.jpg

But perhaps of more relevance is that having driven a decent range of vehicles in 2012 I noted that only in the Merc would I get to the end of the journey and realise the car had done EVERYTHING perfectly, I would travel 200+ miles and not have touched a single solitary button during that time, not been uncomfortable or left tired. And on top of that it made you realise just how crap the steering is in Audis.

Can u elaborate on how Audi steering is crap? How do u reach this conclusion? Personally i think it's perfect.

romford-boy 19 February 2013 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by marshall332bhp (Post 10996487)
Can u elaborate on how Audi steering is crap? How do u reach this conclusion? Personally i think it's perfect.

It has the weird habit of never settling in a dead straight line at high speeds on motor ways, always very fidgety and inaccurate. It must be something about the VW group steering set up, because I know of a few friends with Seats who complain of the same issue. You are forever having to correct the self centering mechanism....which doesn't self center effectively or accurately. Truth be told I found it a major irritant.

Plus there is absolutely no feel when you hustle one down country lanes and the first you know about understeer isn't when your finger tips tell you, but when the trees at the side of the road get much closer to your wind screen than you want!

To be clear the last two Audis I drove both suffered from completely uninvolving and vague steering, they were a brand new A6 and A5.

marshall332bhp 19 February 2013 12:35 PM

My a5 is far from vague. Granted its not as responsive as some cars but for a executive saloon I find it excellent. I haven't noticed the steering wandering one bit. A guess people have different driving styles and habits but I honestly can't fault it. Compared to mercs and bmws av driven I find it far superior.


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