Because you have contributed, we all agree that educating kids is essential and those kids will look after you as you get older and perform vital services.

We need to basically raise the drawbridge and only open it to those who look like they will provide a benefit and a quota of asylum seekers, let people in like into a nightclub (but not as crowded and noisy) , a set number we don't go above, as people die or leave we let more in, allowing for the birthrate and keep the population to a number the systems can support. If people commit crime or dont work, they get a one way ticket back home.

Being too soft isnt getting us anywhere is it.

home = Europe. UK is in Europe :confused:

You 'heard'?

You do understand that just because you heard it, doesn't actually make it true?

You heard wrong. non-domiciles have to pay UK tax on UK sourced income, but other income from outside the UK can be exempt. If they live and work here then they are subject to the same tax as you and me i.e. on all income regardless of source.

Which gives us some real life experience rather than regurgitating some kelp in a report written by a 'think tank'.

Hactually (sic).

I probably have way more experience of this issue than you'll ever have. Whereas I suspect you are just regurgitating what some right-wing nut-job down the pub tells you

I thiught I was the one who did condescending around here? :Whatever_

Why not ask Andy where he gets his view from rather than guessing?

Oh you obviously ignored his post!

I was just parroting back the words he used to me


Now wind your neck in

Sigh! No, I have read it and as I said you seem to be being condescending. I should know after all ;) So how about you do as I say now :thumb:

Lol that's why we pay taxes though isn't it, the well off help the poor etc. I'd much rather look after myself / my family and pay no taxes however that won't happen any time soon ...

Imho there are too many immigrants here which is where the OP started, someone turn off the fookin immigration tap for a while pls :rolleyes:

TX.

Well if it's condescending it's only a reflected 'condescension'

For now....

You think the tectonic plates will shift and move the UK onto a different continent? :)

:lol1:

You condescending toss pot.

My experience comes from being in the supposed jobs the 'work shy' English indigenous supposedly refuse to work. My last two jobs in fact which covered September 2002 - August 2008. Working on factory and warehouse shop floors mixing and working with said immigrant work force. Not sat in some team-leader/managers office licking the next levels up arse hole (how's that for a Martin2005 assumption eh?).

Seeing said immigrants come into what is a well paid (for this area) warehouse job, Porte around for three months on a probationary scheme they have no intentions of adhering to, them bumming it off to work in a slower paced yet more 'cushty' min wage job.

The above is not assumption, the above is not some liberal left wing penis with his rose tinted glasses on from managerial level looking down, nope it's from the bottom, where I worked and saw it with my own eyes.

So you take your supposed experience and choke on it :)

Way to go CoB, you tell the cnut! :lol1:

All you got back was what you gave me.

And guess what? You couldn't handle it, no surprise there then.

Who the **** are you?

If you what to debate something with me, go for it.

Don't just hide behind CoB nightie

He's RA Dunk, the clue is in his post. ;)

What's up with you today? These aren't your normal responses, normally you're still condescending, but polite with it ;) :lol1:

There is no debating with you, your correct and were all wrong, you know best always have done always will do.

and for the sake of argument, you're a cnut.

thats a pretty lame comeback

No, no, no, no.

What you got was me answering your assumptions with factual evidence, experiences I have actually had from actually being there. That's what I threw back at you and you've just shown yourself to backtrack with the above response.

You haven't got any answers to my personal experiences have you? No, didn't think so.


I rest my case.

Sigh, no Martin, it simply allows us to make statements based on the truth, rather than dogma and ideology.....

Martin, you remind me of that guy on the Fast show, the politician who only ever said, "No, no it won't, no it hasn't, no it doesn't...."

If you could condescend to give us some of YOUR experiences, FROM YOUR LIFE, that support your endless correction of the views of others WITH experience, perhaps we could begin to take you seriously.

Until then, I'm afraid you're as big a wind-up merchant as Lewis.

Don't argue with him, he knows better than all of us, his views and experience far outweigh anything than we know or have ever seen.

I'm not sure what your case is though?

I not going to doubt your personal experience, but like I said earlier you are allowing a few anecdotes to govern your overall opinion on this issue.

The whole immigration debate is fine and balanced, it's not all bad or all good, but somewhere in the middle. Yet I see no recognition of this balance in your posts, none at all, it's just all bad.

Sure there are plenty of examples where the system has failed, but the overall impact of immigration on this country has certainly not been all negative.

I work with a team made up largely from immigrant grads, who bring their skills here because there is a market for their talents here in the UK. They are not taking anyone elses job away, they are fulfilling a need. They earn good money and pay significant tax.
I would add that I work in London, and London simply could not function without a massive immigrant workforce.

In other words there is a free market for labour across Europe. Are we now going to become socialist and reject the workings of the market?

Immigration must be controlled of course, but we cannot do this out of ideology, we should only do it for the national interest and with the long-term in mind.

Just so we are all clear, the condescending on this thread started here...

'Which gives us some real life experience rather than regurgitating some kelp in a report written by a 'think tank' - CoB

At least acknowledge this.

Sorry, but that is no more or less condescending than telling someone that their real life experiences 'cloud their view'.... which is effectively telling them their view is wrong (and of course, by implication, yours is right!)

Lets be fair though shall we, Martin. The majority, huge majority of the recent immigrant work force influx hasn't been graduates has it? No. It has been people looking for the low paid jobs. That's a fact in Scunthorpe where myself and Jeff reside. If you're only looking at it from a point of view of qualified graduates as opposed to the already mentioned huge majority of min wage workforce, then no wonder your view is polar opposite to line.

Here in Scunthorpe the experience is vastly different. The overwhelming majority of Eastern European workers are working in minimum wage jobs or at car washes. They drift between jobs at various factories/warehouses usually depending on the workload or season.

When unemployed I applied at a newly opened factory for tin can production. I was turned back because I wasn't Eastern European because that was the companies preference. Why? Company based in Poland. It isn't right but I was told this by a receptionist and then reiterated by a manager, both iirc were Polish.

Anyway I digress, you have your wealth of qualified Eastern European graduates and we have them here, unqualified to that level in the majority, working the min wage jobs.

I never ever ever said that their view was wrong, never, not once.

What I did say and is patently right that a few anecdotes don't mean that ALL immigration is bad.

Are you disagreeing with that?