New kit from Godspeed for second hand prices - used Subaru 4 pots with discs and pads would cost you this - bet the new kit would/will be better and if they need refurbing in a few years then you are still quids in rather than if you bought second hand (which may well need refurbing when you buy them). Ian is obviously able to compare these to genuine Subaru 4 pots so if he's happy then all sorted.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'd price it/look at it as above.

Ian, are you able to refurb a set of non-monoblock Porsche Brembo calipers for me? I believe that the pistons are good, but stainless pistons would be nice. Theyre suffering from moderate to noticeable plate lift.

Theyre the two part type fitted to 964s/968s etc which have a crossover pipe at the bottom and bleed nipples at the top.


Simon

Hi Simon
Yes we can do them , its £75 each plus any parts that might be needed , we remove the pad plates to bead blast the whole calipers so it fixes this problem
We could make new pistons if you wanted them , but the standard pistons are anodised aluminium so if these are all ok I would stay with them , if you change the pistons to stainless it would make your calipers heavier.
Cheers Ian

Dont think your going to get much respect on here young man
A handful of posts and you are questioning a top man like Ian Godpseed
Wait to the real heavy weights join the thread as there is 415 views looking at you allready

When did you leave school and did you miss out English lessons .

How many years experience and on what sort of cars ?

Newbys won't survive unless you back up your arguments up with proper facts and grammar .

Say what you want, you're pretty good at rubbing people up the wrong way on here :D

I know who I listen to anyway so I doubt your opinion would make much difference except to the easily led :p

Your not a newby no more
One of the high and respected :D

:lol1:

In your opinion, maybe.

Absolutely no panic here as I go on recommendation, i.e. mapping, brakes, garage work and have had no issues whatsoever - funny that :D

I'm unable to take anything Toneh says seriously after his rediculous mapping thread.

If you've got something to say just say it chap and we'll go from there.

Maybe we should all start mapping our own cars as well then hey chap....??

Do you reckon I'd be able to squeeze a few more ponies out of my car with a few cables and a lap top from eBay ??

Should we hang on your every word ??

Ah yes, but you'll also know it's not just the product itself, it's the after sale service. For that is where the recommendation really helps.

Matt has echoed my thoughts so I'll leave it there. :thumb:

Ok, let's try another route.

In your 'professional' opinion, which brake setup would you reccomend for somebody not looking to spend big bucks on AP/porsche/K-sport etc etc ?

Brakes
 

I met Ian over 25yrs ago he had a name for engineering then do you think this Guy would take a chance on selling a product that was not %100 percent,I have bought several set ups from Ian service very good.I had discs delivered to my friends computer shop while I was showing him the discs a customer said that is fine machining! afterwards I found out he worked on the Concord,end of !!!!!!!

Ian´s brakes have proved to be very very good for the money.
I have a set on my car. 335mm, EBC Blues with the refurbed stainless steel four pots.
A bit marginal at my power and speeds I hit. So I need to upgrade.
But considering what the car is put through - very impressed :thumb:

This is not arse licking, I am too old school for that. Just my observations on a car that is driven harder than most on here.

Genuine question then Tone.

Who's next on your 'rip off' hitlist?

You've had a pop at the experienced mappers and now the braking specialists... who's next on your quest to piss just about every one off? As that's how I dare say it's coming across to most on here
There's asking questions in a reasonable manner, then there's setting out to incite.

That's why I don't have respect for your opinions as they have been agressed in the total wrong way. Again I hazard others share my opinion.

your a strange boy arent you? why come on here and troll?


im sending ian my 2 pots tomorrow for a refurb and paint, and yes i will be taking his advice on which pad to buy/fit

6 years ago i had his 335m upgrade for 4 pots on my sti wagon,

go on his web site and read up on him,

old school good old boy who's more than likely been at this longer than youve be alive,

if you dont want to buy his brakes or ask his advice (which is free btw) why oh why write that bs?

Drives a mean rally car too :D.

Right I'm having my say on This matter wether you wish to belive or not as I can't stand back and watch this happen, I've had the 335 kit with ndx blue stiff and ds 2500 and orange stuff and was lead to belive that the 2 piece discs I was running had rust built up in the bell area but when removing that I was not yet sorted to my problems and also getting them skimmed still did not sort my problem after contacting Ian numerous times for advice did not sort out the problem
So in the end I bought some second had brembos and some disc and pads which turned out to be carborn Lorraine rc6 pads they were absolutely awesome and all my troubles had gone away.
But in my experience the advice given got me no where till I changed set up and I'm sticking up for no one just telling the honest truth so no one makes the same mistake as I did.
I know I may be hated for this but the truth and experience speaks a lots of
Sence, and the people that are happy with their braking systems then they do not know how to push their car to the limits.
Regards corky. Come back with what you got as I belive I've experienced it all.

Why is this aimed at me chap ??

It would seem that a lot of the posts from last night have disappeared ??

To answer some of the questions I seen last night , we buy the WRX PRO calipers from a UK based company , and for all I know they could come from china as someone mentioned , quality control was mentioned , as was quality of materials which is a good point to raise.

I do not rely on guessing that has all been done to a high standard , when we test a product with a view to selling them , we do our own R&D on them and test them thoroughly , there is no way I will put a product on sale from us without testing them first , and believe me these calipers have been tested !

We have stripped them down to make sure they have been made to the same specs as the standard subaru 4 pot calipers , and all the machining tolerances are the same , the fluid ways are the same , the seals are of a high quality and have been tested to very high temps , so high that the outer dust seals have burnt and melted but the calipers still held its seal and did not leak.
We have also tested the caliper body for strength and have carried out a shear test to make sure the lugs are as strong as the original Subaru 4 pots , we destroyed a pair of calipers doing this last test , but were more than happy with the outcome , so have added them to our line.

I can appreciate not everyone will want copy calipers on there cars , they wan't to keep it original , I get that , which is why we also still offer a reconditioning service for those looking to fix seized calipers.
But not every one has 4 pot calipers to exchange , so for those looking to change to 4 pots , as a complete kit with discs and pads , and a very good kit for the money.

Hopefully this will clear up any doubts people have.

HI
The 335mm discs are very hard to warp , people get some shaking in the steering wheel and straight away blame the discs when most of the time it isn't the cause , it can be a number of reasons .

We wouldn't have led you to believe you had a rust build up , we would have mentioned this as on older cars , or cars not used regularly this is usually the problem , rust can form on the disc under the bell which then make the disc run out of true , removing the bells and thoroughly cleaning the bell and disc surface where the two fit together would eliminate this is if was the problem.

See this photo for an example

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s/2da4abc6.jpg

The biggest problem of disc shake is pad deposits , either from people not bedding them in properly , or doing track days and not letting them cool down properly , or even driving very hard then coming to a stop and holding the brakes on

see this photo of an example , you can see the dark lines on the disc surface which are the deposits , we have already bead blasted the grooves to get the pad dust out of them before skimming the discs , you can also see the rust build up on the hub face which means the discs wouldn't run true to start with

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s/f09066e4.jpg

Here you can see a before and after photo of the discs were skimmed , when we skim a disc its fitted into our lathe and we clamp the front of the bell , and skim the front and rear face where the pads sit , and we also take a small skim from inside the bells so the discs will be running completely true with zero runnout , if when this is done you still get shaking in the steering wheel then drive flange is running out of true.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...s/1a680de3.jpg

Going by what you have said , and reading through your posts , if you had your discs skimmed properly ( did I do them ? ) then I would say it would have been down the pad deposits , when did you fit orangestuff pad ? as we have only sold a handful of these , did you use the proper larger pad for the 335mm kit or use the smaller standard subaru shape 4 pot pad.

It could be the reason you are not getting pad deposits now is that you are using a full race pad , the RC6 are a carbon metallic pad designed for high temp race setups , so yes I would agree with you in that they are an awesome pad , but at a cost , they chew through discs and leave metal up the sides of your car and wheels that turns to rust when it rains , so they are not suitable for 99% of users even though you tell everyone to buy them.

We have sold thousands of 335mm kit in the last 12-13 years with great feedback on them , with the right pads they have been fitted to rally and race cars with great results.

I hope this answers your concerns , if you still have your 335mm kit , send it to me and we can have a good look over them for you and check the discs and bells for run out

Cheers Ian

Sorry mate it wasn't aimed at you I was just giving another option on brake set up along with explaining my experience.

I think Ian's made a kind offer re. your issues mate. I'd be looking to take him up on it for a definitive answer :)

I had nemerous issues, mainly the 4 pots couldn't handle the heat temps I put them through, it was said check you have right fluid etc etc
The set up was ok don't get me wrong but I wouldn't buy it again as for me was only good for normal and mildly fast driving on a new age as the weight of it all added up to brake fade, no matter what pads I tried.
It was easier for me and cost effective to get a set of brembos and compare them both, and was totally amazed I had a crap set up on comparisation.
And regards to the cl rc6 chewing up discs I've heard that to but as long as they are on plain Brembo type discs there ok, and I use the car everyday for commuting etc, so for the people that use carbotech, pf etc for everyday, they are happy even though they are a race pad too, and the pads like ndx orange etc are a race pad too which people buy for road use.
P.s I no longer have the 335 kit so cannot send to you after owning them for a year and trying to solve my issues with them.
And at a cost you said, I belive cl rc6 pads come in at approx £150 so compare that price to pf and the likes.
I'm happy with my brake set up and don't think I would ever change it now as I don't know if I will be happy if I do. So I'm staying with these.

Just like to add that I'm not slating them but for ME and my driving style are not for me. And everyone has different requirements from a brake set up this is what I do understand so please don't take it the wrong way, as some people would prefer a mild set up and so on.

Regards.

Tbh the set has been changed and I no longer have it, I owned the 335 kit for about a year and going through the issues I had its only now he wants to sort them:wonder:

Don't get me wrong, I haven't tried any of Ian's products and his 4 pot setup that he sells wouldn't be on my shopping list. Mainly due to the power I'm running and how I drive the car, but for 99% of the people out there I'm sure they would be very good.
Ian obviously knows his stuff and has great feedback, not everyone can be pleased though which is totally normal.
He offers some good products at very good prices which can't be argued.

Bustamoves, we're you actually having issues (failure) with your original setup or were they just not man enough for your car. Obviously the brembo setup is far superior but also far more expensive. I don't think it's fair to knock Ian's products if the reason you weren't happy was because they weren't up to the job.
If they were faulty then that's a different story but I fear that it was just the fact that your car/driving style required a much better setup.

The only issues were juddering when upto temps and fade, but as said earlier in my post they were still very good but not for my driving style ( so not knocking the product)
I was told if I got the brembos that the 335 kit would be better as to the size of discs which is believable, but it tuned out that it was not, IMO.
The main issue was the calipers I belive that are not upto the job simples, so to fit them to them discs I don't see the point.

But anyway I don't want to go off topic that much as I was just giving your post another option that's upto the job for less than ap money along with my experience and problems with it, and the answer to it was brembos with a good combination for a persons needs.

Exactly what I said on another thread recently.
If you require a very good brake setup but don't have huge funds then the STI brembo's combined with some decent discs and pads are a very good option.
However the brembo's are still relatively expensive and not within everybodies budget, this is where Ian's 4 pot setup comes in. For the money they will do just fine on standard'ish cars driven sensibly

wow....well seeing as im the oe thread starter let me add, that yes i realise there copys...didnt expect genuine parts for £300...as far as im concerned they look great, defo gonna be an improvement over my oe 2 pots( 8 yrs old)...and most imortantly will help fill my 18" wheels a little more:D....having em fitted tomoz..so once bedded in will let u all know the outcome( which im sure will be a good improvement:thumb:

2pots? Are they going onto a sport/gx? If so there will be an improvement for sure. They'll have no issues coping with the gx power :)

Good mod to do, 294mm discs then?

Early classic had 2 pots