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dazdavies 10 January 2012 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by jef (Post 10423581)
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is that true mate?

having spent 10k on an engine i want fckn zero knock lol,

but im all to aware of internet myths and halfs truths on things wher people may have a vested interest, so to speak lol.



Having spent a fair bit more than that do you think I'd risk it?

Sellybob 10 January 2012 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Scooby1975 (Post 10423953)
I use mine as a daily driver and see it as a treat to myself - I work hard as many others do so deserve it.

<snip>

I guess I could get a cheaper car , cheaper to run, insure , tax and look after but I like my Subaru and everything it stands for. After a hard day at work there are few things more pleasing than getting in the car and enjoying it.

My thoughts exactly! If it's worth it for the grin, treat yourself and throw in the 60 mile round trip for the good juice! :D

I'm lucky though, a Shell next to work so I almost have to use it as a daily driver just in case I run out and I wasn't expecting it. ;)

wanted 10 January 2012 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 10423547)
If you monitor knock on the Apexi commander you quieten things down even more with a splash of NF ;)

+1

bonesetter 10 January 2012 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by 53 (Post 10423547)
If you monitor knock on the Apexi commander you quieten things down even more with a splash of NF ;)

Have you really seen that Stu? Because that would go a long way in convincing me...

I've used case fulls of the stuff btw - to be sure :)

JohnD 10 January 2012 10:34 PM

[QUOTE=alcazar;10423462]

Originally Posted by JohnD (Post 10423443)

I would think it would be for a few days, but then?
Anyone heard of this "Alpha Power?"

What I meant was, the "Alpha Power" tanker quite possibly comes straight from the Shell depot! (Or other major brand) You don't think "Alpha Power" is a fuel producing company in it's own right, do you?:nono:

JohnD

chocolate_o_brian 11 January 2012 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10423775)
It would be a 60-mile round trip, so 2.5 GALLONS used.
That would make it VERY dear fuel:(

I'd just swap to Tesco, Jeff. There's plenty of them around.

Sure a quick search on "store locator" on the Tesco website will tell you where the petrol stations are. Make a note of who sells Momentum and Bob Rawles's your uncle :D

I'll have mine mapped for Tesco 99 as Shell is/was more expensive :thumb:

alcazar 11 January 2012 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian (Post 10424537)
I'd just swap to Tesco, Jeff. There's plenty of them around.

Sure a quick search on "store locator" on the Tesco website will tell you where the petrol stations are. Make a note of who sells Momentum and Bob Rawles's your uncle :D

I'll have mine mapped for Tesco 99 as Shell is/was more expensive :thumb:

Good idea, except:
1. They are often out of 99.
2. They can't/won't tell you when more is due.
3. Phoning ahead is impossible...ever tried to phone Tesco, let alone the petrol stations....?

alcazar 11 January 2012 05:42 AM

[quote=JohnD;10424323]

Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10423462)

What I meant was, the "Alpha Power" tanker quite possibly comes straight from the Shell depot! (Or other major brand) You don't think "Alpha Power" is a fuel producing company in it's own right, do you?:nono:

JohnD

Might be Shell.
But unless labelled 99 RON, it won't be.
No-one else does V-Power, except Tossco, when they can be bothered.

LEE-WRX 11 January 2012 06:37 AM

I used to have to do a 40 mile round trip for v power before tesco started supplying there momentum 99, i didnt mind, was an excuse to go for a rewarding drive :)

chocolate_o_brian 11 January 2012 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10424584)
Good idea, except:
1. They are often out of 99.
2. They can't/won't tell you when more is due.
3. Phoning ahead is impossible...ever tried to phone Tesco, let alone the petrol stations....?

Ok to pick the points separately...

1. In my experience as a regular Momentum customer, in the last 9-10 trips (I brim the tank every Thursday/Friday), there's only been one time they were out. For that one time I would have a bottle of octane booster ready and top up with that mate with normal unleaded.
2. True and I find it a bit daft
3. I haven't, no. But surely within a reasonable distance not every station that sells it will run out on the same day?

Anyway to consider getting rid of a recently built Subaru that cost you a 5 figure sum to build to your own desired spec because fuel came be a pain to purchase sometimes is madness. I'd rather get the car mapped again for normal unleaded or have Bob Rawle add another map, one for 99 and one for 97/95 (Esso super or any normal unleaded).

The above is what I would personally do before even contemplating anything silly like selling or leaving the marque. :)

dazdavies 11 January 2012 06:41 PM

Unless you're nailing the car everywhere it doesn't matter a toss what fuel you use.

You are not going to damage your engine by putting a tenners worth of 95 in it if you drive it sensibly.

The only time you will damage an engine is when you're on extended WOT at full boost with **** fuel.

I'd be quite happy to drive my car from Lands end to Home on 95 if that was the only fuel available. I'd just drive my car accordingly.

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Tesco was empty of momentum last night but I've been today and filled up. So if at anytime they are out of momentum you can just pop down the road to Esso and put 97 in or indeed 95 that will get you by until the tanker arrives at Tesco

alcazar 11 January 2012 08:33 PM

I never said I would get rid, Andy, just wondering if it's all worth it any more?

Maybe I've grown out of the car: I rarely, if ever, use ANY of the performance now, and if I do, I worry about knock, fuel consumption etc etc:(

I see your point Daz, I'll have to see how it goes.

What's decent O/B? Richtoy sell Silkolene and Wynnes.

The guy there tried to tell me that using 99 RON in a mapped Scoob is an advisory only and 95 will do no harm at all.
:rolleyes:

And with a LINK, I can't have two switchable maps:(

banny sti 11 January 2012 08:35 PM

Good excuse to upgrade to a simtek ;)

chopperman 11 January 2012 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10425742)
I never said I would get rid, Andy, just wondering if it's all worth it any more?

Maybe I've grown out of the car: I rarely, if ever, use ANY of the performance now, and if I do, I worry about knock, fuel consumption etc etc:(

I see your point Daz, I'll have to see how it goes.

What's decent O/B? Richtoy sell Silkolene and Wynnes.

The guy there tried to tell me that using 99 RON in a mapped Scoob is an advisory only and 95 will do no harm at all.
:rolleyes:

And with a LINK, I can't have two switchable maps:(

running on 95 is probably ok as long as your off boost but the second you enter the boost zone you're doing damage. One thing i learned during a mapping session when a boost gauge was fitted was how hard it was to drive without entering the boost zone. You literally have to drive like the purple rinse brigade on pension day.

chocolate_o_brian 11 January 2012 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10425742)
I never said I would get rid, Andy, just wondering if it's all worth it any more?

Maybe I've grown out of the car: I rarely, if ever, use ANY of the performance now, and if I do, I worry about knock, fuel consumption etc etc:(

I see your point Daz, I'll have to see how it goes.

What's decent O/B? Richtoy sell Silkolene and Wynnes.

The guy there tried to tell me that using 99 RON in a mapped Scoob is an advisory only and 95 will do no harm at all.
:rolleyes:

And with a LINK, I can't have two switchable maps:(

TBH with the amount you have invested both financially and time wise over the years, there must be something there Jeff that keeps your interest. :) Maybe its not worth having a Subaru any more but plenty of people still do. Have you not thought about doing a driving day with it to ise its potential safely, both road/engine wise? Or just going for a bloody good drive somewhere?

alcazar 12 January 2012 02:36 PM

Can't afford the fuel :D

ScoobySteve69 12 January 2012 02:52 PM

Alcazar...man up...and move...:lol1:

tubbytommy 12 January 2012 03:01 PM

subarus make no sense as an everyday car, but they are fun and we love em thats why we have em.

alcazar 12 January 2012 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by ScoobySteve69 (Post 10427059)
Alcazar...man up...and move...:lol1:

Ah, come on, have a heart.
My wife is only just talking to me after I spent a LOT of money rebuilding it...and that was two years ago.:Suspiciou

Scooby Dooney Doo 12 January 2012 06:22 PM

We have 2 shell garages and 2 Tesco garages within. 5 mile radius

Spoilt for choice !!

ScoobySteve69 12 January 2012 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by tubbytommy (Post 10427067)
subarus make no sense as an everyday car, but they are fun and we love em thats why we have em.


Mine is :thumb:


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10427238)
Ah, come on, have a heart.
My wife is only just talking to me after I spent a LOT of money rebuilding it...and that was two years ago.:Suspiciou

:lol1:

BoozyDave 12 January 2012 10:04 PM

shell near me has stopped selling v power too. so nearest shell is over 10 miles away and nearest tossco that sells 99 is 8 miles away

scooby222 13 January 2012 01:01 AM

40 mile round trip for 99 doesnt bother me half as much as getting there and paying 149 a litre.....
and i find that my remapped 05 sti runs very lumpy on straight 95 at any revs, kinda stuttery up top on 97 and fine on 97 plus OB or straight 99
no way id run mine every day these days, back in '04 i did 26000 miles in my classic and worked out it cost me £7500 in fuel alone and thats when it was 80p a litre....

ALi-B 13 January 2012 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Scooby Arthur (Post 10423463)
Had mine mapped on 95, no super round here so seemed the safest option.

That's what I'd do.

Before mods, my old UK classic ran it with no issues and dynoed at 240bhp which isn't bad, considering it was supposed to 208bhp.

You also benefit from a fuel with a slightly higher calorific value (more energy per litre), which offsets any bhp/mpg loss.


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