Agree 100% re parents responsibility. Then you look at the parents, often fatties and leading a sedentary lifestyle themselves...

You see them walking around (slowly) the supermarkets .. families of fatness .. I feel really sorry for the kids, they will be picked on, have health issues and generally look terrible ..

I diagree with that, I think that fat is the new 'norm' so I doubt they get picked on. If anything I bet there are chants of "skinny"...

But you are only 5' 1" you fat get ... :D

Underactive thyroid gland for one. An ex-lodger had this diagnosed, explaining why she was overweight (not drastically) when she hardly ate and exercised hard.

But, as you imply, these "medical" conditions are rare and over 99% of people are fat because of what they eat.

Dave

Prader Willi syndrome, not a very nice condition at all.

Dave,

as I said above - you cannot be fat if your calorific input does not exceed your calorific usage then you cannot be fat.

How many Ethiopians have under active thyroids? :Suspiciou

Western-inspired condition, in my ill-informed opinion.

Indeed PWS is not very nice at all...


...symptom is overeating (hyperphagia) leading to excessive weight gain.

The weight gain cannot happen without the overeating.

My young cousin had Leukaemia and was given a cocktail of drugs .. they made him very sick, couldn't keep his food down, didn't feel well enough to go out ..

the steroids (or so they blamed) made his body swell, he looked massive ..

I believe that parents have a complete responsibility towards their children and part of that is their personal health. I think that in most cases a child who is obese has been eating too much of the wrong kind of food and that devolves on the parents.

I remember that some years ago in Germany, a fat baby was considered to be essential to demonstrate how well it was being brought up! The mothers used to deliberately mix flour in with the child's milk to fatten it up! Seems unbelievable really. I wonder if that has gone by the board now.

Les

Its an awful illness to have and it is true that steroids do put on weight.

Les

I once saw a fat kid in Wales.

dont be so niave to beleive every single case of obesity is soley due to excess calorie intake

some people on this board are so stupid and bloody minded its unreal

2 people of the same , weight, age, sex, eating the same total calories at the same macro-nutrient %'s can have 2 very different outcomes.

its called gentics! and why the speices is alive today.


im not using that as an excuse but to say every single fat person in the country is just purley greed - is so totally innacurate

is gentics similiar to genetics, and explains the evolution of bad spellers?

As someone has already pointed out - show me the fat kid in Ethiopia due to thyroid/genes/etc.

Fat is the body's mechanism for storing excess calories.

It is made from sugars which can come from multiple sources.

The difference in the 'fat' gene - i.e. the difference between being endomorphic or ectomorphic is between 3-9%. So for the average adult, the difference is less than one Mars bar per day.

Yes there are factors that can increase the propensity to be fat. But the ONLY controlling factor is calorific input. If input is higher than calorific usage then the result is fat.

Call me bloody minded - but it is the laws of the universe - fundamentally the laws of thermodynamics.

There are some circumstances where the body can be more swollen, but not fatter, such as worm infection or water retention caused by nutritional imbalance or medical intervention. But this is not fatter.

No that is just the slack attitude of the lazy fcukers in England who don't see why spelling on a public forum as a prerequisite for membership. They are obviously happy to look like a completely uneducated tool to the rest of the world.

I am by no means perfect but some on here are beyond a joke in their abilities with basic English.

ill reply fully to that tonight at work, as i dont have time just now.

your examples are non relevant, for countries where food sources are low.

i agree it comes down to calorific intake, but this differes for everysingle person, and has so many more influnces, than, calories in vrs out - hormone levels, sex, endo , ecto, enviroment, culture, activity.

there are cases where people store fat much more easily than others - and even on restriced calorific intakes

to say there are absolutley zero cases world wide, is bloody minded mate. imo of course

:lol1: :lol1:

So tell me - if my calorific input is less than what I use then how do I get fat, photosynthesis?

no it just leads to people who have no relevant input, killing time over some letters missing??

got nothing to add, then just refrain your finger tips in this thread, and go read another 1, lol

lol ive already stated above its down to calorific input, my point is you cant label all obese people as lazy, over eaters.

there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.

so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake

But the difference in genetics has been proven to be 9% or less, as I say, less than a Mars bar per day.

Or one person weighs 10st and the other 10st 10lbs - hardly obese (unless they are both 5ft tall!!)

id like to see the study which came up with those figures,

what about diabetes, with hi insulin, to people with over active or under active thyroids

from one extreme to the other, can create massive differences between individuals

That just tells me that the person whose body stores more fat, needs to exercise more. Yes, the person whose body burns fat quicker is very lucky, but that's the way its goes.

You never saw a fat person in a concentration camp.

Jef, you're a fat person's wet dream.


Stop making bloody excuses for the legions of obese people in the world.

JUST EAT LESS, OR EXERCISE MORE. It's not rocket science. :)

You make a great point - diabetes sufferers who are insulin dependent have to watch their intake as insulin plays a role in controlling blood sugar levels and sugar conversion to fat. More insulin means it is easier to turn sugar into fat.

BUT if your calorific intake is balanced with your calorific usage, even with insulin dependence YOU DO NOT GET FAT!!!!

One of my team is a 40-something, lifelong insulin user, skinny as a rake. My ex as also a 40-something, lifelong insulin user and whilst not a rake is not fat, but even before she got diabetes she was always a little curvy.

So insulin hasn't made them fat.

Google is your friend.

The so called 'fat' gene was isolated and people with it were on average 3kgs heavier.

So hardly a gene that converted Kate Moss into Dawn French.

And an Oompa-Loompa's.

Yes you did - The commandant

You can tell who the porkers are on this thread.