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ZEN Performance 02 July 2010 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by dynamix (Post 9475112)
Still back to joz's original post I still think that a MAFless ecu such as Simtek is the right solution. There is no doubt that it will fully earn its place on the spec he has lined up. it would be silly to pay for oe remap then have to do the same for a full remap on simtek when he makes the decision to change. Will save all the maf issues as to whether they are reliable, will stretch that far etc etc

Because you sell simtek? ;)

dynamix 02 July 2010 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by ZEN Performance (Post 9476087)
Because you sell simtek? ;)

pmsl

joz8968 04 July 2010 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9475063)
You might want to take a view on that... if was in your shoes, i.e. had just bought a car of unknown history and didn't have access to the kit I've got, I might be tempted to put a new one in just for piece of mind...

If I decide to retain OEM ECU and get EcuTek'd, then prior to the map, I will replace the MAF for a replacement brand new "stripe/post-'05" one as a matter of course, for peace of mind.

To that end is it a case of the later, the better? e.g. would a MY08 hatch's one work on a STi 5/6, and be even better?


For c.£100 vs potential £000's/hassle, it's a no-brainer.

Do Import Car Parts stock them?

Splitpin 04 July 2010 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by joz8968 (Post 9479169)
If I decide to retain OEM ECU and get EcuTek'd, then prior to the map, I will replace the MAF for a replacement brand new "stripe/post-'05" one as a matter of course, for peace of mind.

To that end is it a case of the later, the better? e.g. would a MY08 hatch's one work on a STi 5/6, and be even better?

The Newage and hatch airflow meters are a totally different type to the 99-00MY design. You can use them in a classic but they're not a straight swap - need physical mods to fit, and again, rescaling the maf lookup table in the ECU. If you're sitting there thinking that because we've referred to the "green stripe" sensor as a "post-2005" unit, it was designed for and will fit the newage cars, it won't.


For c.£100 vs potential £000's/hassle, it's a no-brainer.
Not quite sure how you're working that out. Replacement Newage MAF/hatch sensors are usually well over twice the price of an MY99-00 unit, so you'd need them to be, on average, at least twice as reliable for such an exchange to make economic sense. In fact you'd need them to be much better than that, and own the car for the several years it would take to shake the costs out before the upside actually existed.

And that's assuming that the newage sensors are perfectly reliable, which they're not - they still occasionally fail. And on that score I doubt anyone's run any surveys on the comparative reliability of the green stripe vs newage sensor either.

Given that you're thinking of moving to an aftermarket ECU at some point, if you are going to replace your current airflow meter prior-to, the only sensible option appears to be a new green stripe. Although, as I think I've said elsewhere, if you are thinking of going Simtek in the medium term, I can't argue with the logic of those who've already suggested you do so sooner rather than later.


Do Import Car Parts stock them?

99-00 part
, and, for price comparison, newage part

joz8968 04 July 2010 05:59 PM

Os sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick...

I thought that the "stripe/p2006>on" MAF was a New Age design (Hawkeye) that happened to fit the MY99/00 and worked straight out the box, as it were.

But what you're saying is that it's still a MY99/00 - just that it was manufactured by FHI from 2006 onwards as a upgraded part designed for the MY99/00, and happens to be more reliable than the original pre-2006 manufactured MY99/00 ones? Is this right?

So original MY99/00 "green dot" = c.£100?

Upgraded MY99/00 "stripe/2006>on" = c.£200?

joz8968 04 July 2010 06:04 PM

Those links are taking ages to load on my laptop - problem with internet. So apologies if they'll actually answer my questions. ;)

Splitpin 04 July 2010 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by joz8968 (Post 9479425)
But what you're saying is that it's still a MY99/00 - just that it was manufactured by FHI from 2006 onwards as a upgraded part designed for the MY99/00, and happens to be more reliable than the original MY99/00 "green dot" ones, prior to 2006? Is this right?

Correct. And it has superceded the earlier designs in the spares system.


So original MY99/00 "green dot" = c.£100?
No, no dot/green dot sensors = no longer available new.


Upgraded MY99/00 "stripe/post 2006" = c."200?
No, green stripe sensor = c. £100, newage sensor = c.£200

joz8968 04 July 2010 06:18 PM

Got it! :)

Great that the replacement MY99/00 "stripe/2006>" one is still c.£100! This is the point I was trying to make about replacing my existing one of unknown condition for a brand new one vs running the risk re engine detting due to my existing one's failure, etc. - as suggested by yourself! - for £100.

It was my confusion mentioning (wrongly!) "...New Age MAF..." - therefore which would have been c.£200 - that subsequently "confused" you re. your reply to that question. ;)

joz8968 04 July 2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9479455)
Correct. And it has superceded the earlier designs in the spares system...

No, no dot/green dot sensors = no longer available new...

No, green stripe sensor = c. £100...


So by "default", the one in the link below is the "stripe/2006>" one that's a direct replacement for a MY99/00 car:-

http://www.importcarparts.co.uk/part...en=&searchKey=

Splitpin 04 July 2010 06:31 PM

Finally, he gets it! ;)

joz8968 04 July 2010 06:49 PM

LOL. Don't be (too) harsh. :D

It was ultimetely the "...post-2006" thing that threw the whole thing into confusion for me.

As they say, knowledge is power. :D

:rolleyes:

joz8968 04 July 2010 06:52 PM

BTW, thanks for the mine of knowledge (as always).

You should set up a "Group Buy"... for punters wanting to start threads deliberately targeting Splitaaaazz's advice! lol :D

Silver Scooby Sport 14 July 2010 07:22 PM

Interesting read for anther Chocolate MAF owner here.

Is this correct that you can run a newage MAF on a classic ? never heard that before.

Splitpin 14 July 2010 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Silver Scooby Sport (Post 9495156)
Interesting read for anther Chocolate MAF owner here.

The green stripe sensors aren't chocolate, they're pretty good, all things considered.


Is this correct that you can run a newage MAF on a classic ? never heard that before.
Of course. Provided you can source a sensor with the correct sort of flow range, and provided you can (get someone with the ability to) rescale the voltage to mass airflow lookup table in the ECU, you can use any sensor you want.

Ian 15 January 2011 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by ZEN Performance (Post 9474286)
If you want an engine and big turbo, fmic and so on, then Simtek would be the way to go, but I also have customers running 450hp with a MAF on a PowerFC.


;)

chris cairns 15 January 2011 11:59 PM

Does anyone know the ballpark area that the STi 5's VF28/440cc/TMIC combo maxes out at, post mapping?

I'm guessing the TMIC is (marginally) the limiting factor out of the 3 and no doubt caps things at c.330bhp ???
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my type r made 327 bhp with the above spec plus tubular headers and sti 8 tmic

joz8968 16 January 2011 08:44 AM

Yes, Olly at RCM told me the other day that it is 330bhp (or thereabouts). :)


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