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The scoobyecu is only suited to 380 injectors but should be ok with the other mods you mentioned, but to get the most outta all those mods Inc the 440s you will better off getting the esl

ill keep this ecu then ill save up for more power any idea of power level ill have without addin the 440s

thanks

290bhp-300bhp if the car is fit. My reply earlier was lost somehow, but as has now been stated: the larger injectors wont work properly, but everything else should. A ScoobyECU assumes a de-cat and the rest (except from the HKS manifold, which Im not familiar with) adds safety.

If youre uncertain: ask Scott.

Hi,
The above is an original scoobyecu that was put together, trialed and sold by Paul Blamire (now of Zen), Dave Wallis and myself.

I can tell from the image that this is not one that I supplied as it uses the SST devices, which I did not use. I alwayed used UV erasable EPROM devices, the SST are EEPROM.

I'm not sure if scoobyclinic ever officially put maps on these but I do think Pat Hepbourne did a few in the early days.

It is re-mappable buy re-blowing another image onto the chips, but the technology is quite old so alot of mappers will shy away and prefer to use the ESL Generation 2 board or a aftermarket ECU.

I have now stopped trading Polar Performance as a part time business due to full time job promotion, family commitments and general lowering of enthusiasm.
Website is due to go offline start of April.

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Originally Posted by scoobwrx94import (Post 9269754)

ill keep this ecu then ill save up for more power any idea of power level ill have without addin the 440s

thanks

280-290BHP on a WRX and 305BHP on STi where the rule of thumb numbers on the stock 380's
You cannot drop in 440's without a remap. You will actually loose power if you do as it will run too rich.

ok thanks so the guy i got it off was havering pish then said it had been remapped to 320 with decat ik and td05 by scoobyclinic if it can be remapped then who could do it ??

thanks

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Originally Posted by GC8 (Post 9269531)

Its much better than a Z4, but its a generic product. The mappable board that ESL developed (with Scott, I think) is always going to be better, but its well short of the original ECUs value for money, in my opinion. By the time youre done the ESL kit will cost almost as much a an A'PEXi PowerFC ECU used to cost!

Remember too that the ESL board would have needed mapping to suit your own car (the very point of a live-mappable solution over a generic solution) and thisd have cost you a further £250-ish. This would have been necessary as the existing settings might have been so unsuitable for your car as to have killed it. The beauty of a generic ScoobyECU is that theyll give you a still-substantial improvement, whilst suiting all cars.

Scott Taylor (Scott T. here) will be able to tell you exactly what is what.

Simon

The pictured board is not an ESL daughterboard.

Alot of misinformation in the above post:

Scott is a friend but had no hand in the development of ESL.

The comparison with Apexi seems uninformed, the ESL board is 295 +VAT, a new Apexi PFC (if you can find one), will be about 800, and you wont have 3D boost control, knock control, a choice of MAF based or MAFless running, Diagnostic codes, etc etc.

In short, the Apexi is significantly more expensive and significantly less capable.

Andy

Theres more misinformation there Andy and if you read up youll see that Scott has already answered.

I see that the prices of A'PEXi ECUs have risen now that theyre getting harder to find, but your products will cost approximately 2/3rds of what a PowerFC will cost, after you have paid to have it mapped.

With regards to understanding the product - if you cast your mind back you will remember that I have recommended your kit to scores of people.

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Originally Posted by GC8 (Post 9347002)

I recently bought a 99 Apexi for an Sti5. I cost me over £700 by the time it had landed and paid duty etc, and the pound has weakened further since. Then you still have to pay to have it mapped. The ESL board is 295+VAT, so actually less than half the price of the Apexi.

Even if the Apexi was the same price as ESL it would represent worse value as you are not going to have 3D boost control, choice of MAF or MAFLess running, knock control and diagnostic control codes that you do with the live-mappable ESL board. We also have switchable maps, launch control and antilag algorithms working in beta on test cars.

Thank you for recommending the product, and I might have misunderstood your statement, but in comparison to an Apexi it seems like an absolute no-brainer to me.

thats is the same chip board as mine mate there is 2 eprons iv had same set up as u running 440s/full decat stainless right thro/ fmic and the rest of what u have iv data logged my car and the AFR is running 12.9 on tick over and when driving its from 13.2 to 13.9 which is running rich ideal AFR is 14.1 on the LM1 innovate im gona have andy f do mine on a esl live map you best off taking your car to a tuner and doing a data log see what its running now then try it with the new chip board u dont want to get bore wash !!!

Holy thread ressurection Batman!

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Originally Posted by Galifrey (Post 10378791)

Holy thread ressurection Batman!

LOL.....and the guy obviously likes visiting petrol stations running that AFR on idle and cruise.