You get 350 miles from 45 litres, so you would technically be able to get around 450-460 jiles from a full tank.

Sorry but I will never belive that in a million years.


How come you dodged my other points Pete?

Oh come on guys, surely we all know that it isn't going to make any difference which party is in power. They are all greedy, self serving, short termist, career politicians who would think nothing of selling their own grandmothers to make a few quid. The only difference is the colour of the rosette pinned to their lapels. Sorry, but it's the truth.

What's a JILE? :lol1:

It's a spelling mistake for mile. 'J' and 'M' are quite close on the keyboard and I do have arthritis, apologies.

Anywho, my point? Or did you wanna dodge it? :)

aul PSlewis is as slippery as a freshly squeezed TURD nestled inside 2 thick slices of well buttered plain white bread.

ah the rocket engineer who infamously doesn't know (and still doesn't by the look of it) how to calculate his MPG.

sorry to have brought this back up pete, but some of the newer members will not have heard :)

Do tell ;)

We have offers not too different from that at work on a regular basis. People want to think they are saving, so some tickets and signs, and bob's your uncle. For example, we had some stuff on sale recently, at the weekend, the prices went back up to normal. By Tuesday, they were (with some extras to be fair) all reduced by 20% as an Easter sale. The previously reduced products actually worked out more expensive with 20% off, but we sold more than before.

Back to the VAT thing. Pete, do you honestly think most people are even still seein this benefit, day to day, i.e. normal shopping? Say an item cost £5. When the cut came in the 2.5% would have been taken off at the till. Shops go with that for a few weeks or so, then signs go up to say this will no longer happen (probably making people think the saving is on the shelf). Now the same item is still £5 only there is no reduction anymore, so we are not actually saving anything anymore, we are still paying the same amount out of our pockets, the store is now just making more, as they are saving on the tax. Tbh, this has probably been more of a benefit for shops than average people, which I guess if it helps less go under it's no bad thing, but certainly no real good thing for the consumer.

I agree with what others have said, there are far more reasons for any increase in spending than this.

Not for one second suggesting they will right all wrongs. Merely pointing out that the Blair/Brown "legacy" will tarnish their first term, with all the unfortunate unpopular changes that will be needed.

Im sure Brown will bail and call the GE when it reaches the point of hiking taxes etc.

Sooner or later they will get to the end of the money they can borrow to make things look better than they are, just as they did ever since they took power.

They may even have reached the borrowing limit already but the amount of money they can print also has a finite amount before galloping inflation sets in! Desperation methods rule OK!

SSuP, you may choose not to remember that I told you quite some time ago that the chickens would come home to roost when you were praising Flash and Billy Liar to the high heavens for their prudence and the unsurpassable way that they were running the economy!

Les

Just wait until the VAT goes back up ;)

back up to what though.... 18-19 20% ?
I will be suprised if it only goes back and STAYS at 17.5%

Thats when the plan will actually spin in to action, taking more money from everyday consumers to pay back the massive borrowing.

Edited for correctness :)

BMW still going well Pete?

But it is the 'everyday' person that has borrowed to much anyway, is it not? :wonder: What goes around comes around. :thumb:

I'm fuming that Poundland haven't passed on the VAT cut to there customers. Went in there the other day and everything is still priced at £1, not 98p as expected :mad:

lol if your mate at work borrowed £10k more than he could afford, is it your place to pay his debt back.

I think we are merging issues here to make an arguement that does not in fact exist.

lol imagine how many 2p pieces they would need!

OH, I remember ..... but, 11 full years of the best wealth creation this country has ever known did dull my senses somewhat ;)

And then came along the WORLDWIDE crisis and messed up all the good work!

No-one was held at gunpoint and told to borrow, it's about time the current generation grew some balls and took reponsibilty for their actions - I'm sure you will agree Les.

Oh shut up you trolling tart!

You spout the same diatribe each time, as you have done so shall I.:)

NL took all the credit for creating the wealthy society

NL shoulder non of the blame when it all went pear shaped

NL did not put away any money for a rainy day such as this crisis.

NL have created a generations of people who know their rights and not their responsibilities.

NL created the toothless and ineffective FSA who did nothing whilst these big financial institutions went about making stupid and reckless decisions and making money hand over fist.

It wasn't wealth creation though was it. It was all an illusion.

Buy a house, wait 6 months, MEW and spend £20k on a 4x4 and a summer holiday. You're rich. Wait another 6 months. Do it all again. Skiing in the Alps anyone?

But look at the longer term, and you're nothing but a slave to debt. Debt has become the new wealth. The more you have, the richer you are!

What a fecked up country.

The SIB (which went on to become the FSA) was created by the Tories in 1985 ....

Yup, Brown thought it right to give them a wider remit and more powers - he did a great job!;)

Yes to an extent Pete, but some people became wealthy, we know very well who of course, and others were sucked in to borrowing beyond their means. Unwise of course and they will be in deep stuck now. Cheap money and the wish to have it all now!

Paul has covered it pretty well, the illusion of a strong economy came from overborrowing and also spending the cash by the authorities in a way which was largely useless to the country and also saved nothing for when it all blew up in their faces. He even flogged off half of our gold reserves at the lowest possible price of course! The country was not earning that money!

We are going to be paying for all that in spades, and for a very long time! Borrowing all those billions and effectively printing money will surely lead to very high taxes to go with gross inflation eventually while the heads of the banks will continue to coin it from our taxes. We have not seen anything yet!

Les