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TelBoy 24 November 2008 03:59 PM

If petrol is the only thing you buy, perhaps.... :wonder:

scoobynutta555 24 November 2008 04:03 PM

What a joke, fuel fags and booze will have tax increases to compensate for the VAT. Pathetic :mad:

Bravo2zero_sps 24 November 2008 04:05 PM

All a total farce.

Blue by You 24 November 2008 04:08 PM

Like Blackadder would have said, it's time to say 'Goodbye Darling'.

MattW 24 November 2008 04:10 PM

The BBC site has a comment about NI going up .5p any one seen it, there doesn't seem to be anything stated in the announcement?

warrenm2 24 November 2008 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by boxst (Post 8297158)
As I'm a sad and lonely computer person, I wonder how many systems have the VAT rate hard coded ....

Steve

badly written ones?

Bravo2zero_sps 24 November 2008 04:12 PM

Yes it's gone up for anyone earning over £20k I think it was.

NXG 24 November 2008 04:13 PM

That 2.5% will save me about £350 on the work I'm having done on my car :)

Luan Pra bang 24 November 2008 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by urban (Post 8297125)
How do you work that out?

It won't really help business's out in the slightest.
Business sells something for £117.50 including VAT which you buy.
You pay them £117.50, they keep £100 and give the other £17.50 to the government.

But now you'll only have to pay £115 instead of £117.50.
Said business still get their £100.

You win!

Many places are currently pricing things based on what the market can pay not a fixed mark up. Don't expect any independant Pubs ,hotels restaurants or VAT registered shops to cut prices much. Companies who add VAT to invoices are the only ones who will be in the scenario you describe. Ultimately if the people selling direct to the end user stay in business the support, distribution and manufactureing aspects will benefit by being in business. The public does not get a vat invioce when they go shopping.

MattW 24 November 2008 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by ************** (Post 8297275)
Yes it's gone up for anyone earning over £20k I think it was.

So effectively this rewards the feckless? Less money unless you are a serial spender!

c-o-l-e 24 November 2008 04:21 PM

Absolute farse, it's a temporary measure to create a false trust.
Why not get rid of costly ministers.

Bravo2zero_sps 24 November 2008 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by MattW (Post 8297285)
So effectively this rewards the feckless? Less money unless you are a serial spender!

Yep it's Labour, of course they were going to increase tax somewhere along the line. Never expect anything else with those robbing w4nkers. The VAT cut means bu66er all until we have to start paying for it and helping the inept Government paying back its ludicrous borrowing.

ronjeramy 24 November 2008 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by scoobynutta555 (Post 8297254)
What a joke, fuel fags and booze will have tax increases to compensate for the VAT. Pathetic :mad:

So they are going to take the 2.5% VAT off fuel then and add tax to it? I haven't been able to follow it so pardon me if I'm being stoopid :D

Gear Head 24 November 2008 04:34 PM

What a shambolic report. :razz:

So basically, after all said and done, **** all is changing! :rolleyes:

lozgti 24 November 2008 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by ronjeramy (Post 8297309)
So they are going to take the 2.5% VAT off fuel then and add tax to it? I haven't been able to follow it so pardon me if I'm being stoopid :D

I'll join you on this:D

Coffin Dodger 24 November 2008 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by ronjeramy (Post 8297309)
So they are going to take the 2.5% VAT off fuel then and add tax to it? I haven't been able to follow it so pardon me if I'm being stoopid :D

2.5% VAT off everything, however with fuel, fags, booze, and anything else you pay duty on they'll increase this to compensate :rolleyes:

Gear Head 24 November 2008 04:43 PM

I'm so glad I quit smoking. :D It's not far off £6 a pack now! :razz:

Martin2005 24 November 2008 04:48 PM

You cannot say it will have no effect, that would mean that the fundamental relationship between price and sales no longer exists.

The issue is how much of an impact will it have, and that I suspect is market and sector specific.

Gear Head 24 November 2008 04:51 PM

The key problem in all of this has been the reduction in credit. Until this is reversed, **** all is going to change. It doesn't matter how much tinkering they do.

unclebuck 24 November 2008 04:55 PM

A wreckless gamble from a bankrupt government. They won't be happy until they've destroyed the entire economy.



On a related note, I see all police are to be armed with Tazar guns. Probably in preparation for the inevitable civil unrest that's coming.

Wurzel 24 November 2008 05:00 PM

You lot are never happy are you??? they lower VAT by 2,5% and you are still complaining!!! we pay 19% VAT over here as well as 42% income tax, I get 49% of my wages deducted at source for various taxes and insurances.

We used to pay 16% VAT and they increased it by 3% to 19% and no we did not get a payrise to compensate.

Jimpreza 24 November 2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by NXG (Post 8297276)
That 2.5% will save me about £350 on the work I'm having done on my car :)

what work you having done that will cost £14k :wonder:

JonMc 24 November 2008 05:08 PM

I worked in retail when it went up all them years ago and the electrical retail industry took it as a hit on their exuberant profit margins, so I would expect them not too pass the savings back on to the customer.

ChrisB 24 November 2008 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by warrenm2 (Post 8297274)
badly written ones?

Badly written or not, gives 4 days to test every retail and accounting system in the country. Great.

tanyatriangles 24 November 2008 06:28 PM

Just as I thought, it's b*llox!:brickwall

2.5% cut in VAT, but duty to rise on fuel fags and booze to compensate/offset, BUT THAT DUTY WILL NOT BE REMOVED WHEN VAT GOES BACK UP:mad:

And NI to rise by 0.5% across all bands from 2011.:nono:

So............more of a take than a give, then?

Darling you f*ckwit! Go now, before the country is bust!:mad:

NXG 24 November 2008 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Jimpreza (Post 8297400)
what work you having done that will cost £14k :wonder:

Oh, just a couple of API bits here and there.. .forged 2.5, 321T, JDM STI 6 speed, FMIC, tubular headers, SIMTEK, few other supporting mods, the usual ;)

Terminator X 24 November 2008 07:06 PM

Pointless ... watch the retailers pocket the very minor difference.

Do you think everything will price drop by 2.5% overnight?!

TX.

Scooby Soon! 24 November 2008 07:14 PM

I hate to add that nothing in shops will be cut by 2.5% in the way you think

If an item currently retails at £100 in a shop the new price will be £97.87 not £97.50

So even less of a saving than people thought!

jacrobat 24 November 2008 07:20 PM

Chap from the Road Haulage Assoc just been on 5 Live and made the point that their costs have just gone up as although they recover the 15% Vat as input tax, they cannot recover Duty. So, the retail supply chain has just had a cost increase so it makes reductions at the till even less likely.

hoskib 24 November 2008 07:24 PM

so all of this is to try to get you to spend more and get the whole system flowing again? haven't they realised most people are skint and if there's any more money in your pocket as a result of cuts that's probably where it'll stay?

what's the bets that there'll be a watchdog report on shops not passing on the cut to customers soon?;) there's no way they'll cut the prices across the board on VATable items. all they've got to say is they were going to raise the price of an item soon anyway and keep it the price it is now, earning them more money:mad:


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