Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7856292)
Instead of kindly volunteering everyone else's money why not just send your own and make sure it's a lot, okay? You can even report back on the thread once you've done it. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by ScoTTyB
(Post 7854455)
Burma doesn't exist in peoples minds. You know anyone who's even been there??
me neither. Our family knew two. When one of them finally arrived home his wife took one look at him and ran away screaming. 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma was a guest at my parents house. A customer who used to come into my shop lost his brother there, bayonetted while a P.O.W. Holders of the Burma Star perhaps? I guess to them it certainly exists. |
Originally Posted by Scoobychick
(Post 7854964)
Politics aside how anyone can not feel at least some degree of sadness for the plight of their fellow human beings is beyond me, regardless of where they live. They're normal people with families and friends, homes and jobs just like you and me, they didn't choose to be born there like you didn't choose to be born here, it's just the luck of the draw. Consider yourselves lucky to be living here where by and large devastating acts of nature don't affect us.
Have we become so selfish that we can look at the pictures from Burma and not care? :( |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7856548)
I already give to a few charities on a monthly basis - One of which will doubtless be sending aid to Burma, so already got that one covered, thanks. Although I suspect somewhat more will be required. Thankfully Brown is pledging help, so looks like we are all giving anyway :thumb:
It appears the military leadership didn't issue a warning of the impending storm that could have saved the lives of their own people. :mad: ASEAN is the only forum that could bring pressure on the junta to reform, but chooses not to do so. Let ASEAN deal with it then. If that makes me a heartless bastid, then so be it. |
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7856917)
Ah, so despite cheerily volunteering that everyone contributes as much as possible via taxation, you're not actually going to give as much as you can yourself. :nono: Thought not. Neither am I.
I said we should send as much as possible - As it is we have pledged £5Million. At a mammoth cost to the tax payer of around 9 pence each. I'm sure we will all manage to somehow scrape by.
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7856917)
Let ASEAN deal with it then.
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Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7856917)
Ah, so despite cheerily volunteering that everyone contributes as much as possible via taxation, you're not actually going to give as much as you can yourself. :nono: Thought not. Neither am I.
It appears the military leadership didn't issue a warning of the impending storm that could have saved the lives of their own people. :mad: ASEAN is the only forum that could bring pressure on the junta to reform, but chooses not to do so. Let ASEAN deal with it then. If that makes me a heartless bastid, then so be it. |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7856948)
As it is we have pledged £5Million. At a mammoth cost to the tax payer of around 9 pence each.
? I knew this would happen. :mad: How much did the Burmese contribute to Hull and Cleltenham last summer when they were innundated by floods? Did you know there are still families now who are unable to move back into their houses and have to live in caravans on their driveways? Some didn't even have insurance to cover the damage caused by that natural disaster. £5Million could go a long way to helping them in their plight and yet they get nothing. I wonder how they feel watching the news tonight? |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7856984)
We pledged? Who is this we?? And just who's money have they pledged? Not theirs... lol
I knew this would happen. :mad: How much did the Burmese contribute to Hull and Cleltenham last summer when they were innundated by floods? Did you know there are still families now who are unable to move back into their houses and have to live in caravans on their driveways? Some didn't even have insurance to cover the damage caused by that natural disaster. £5Million could go a long way to helping them in their plight and yet they get nothing. I wonder how they feel watching the news tonight? We - You, me, every taxer payer in the country. Of course the Government spent £14 million on those affected by the floods. I wonder why countries like Burma don't contribute to the UK when we have a disaster? (Disaster on a relative scale of course, I don't remember 22,000 people dying during those floods, and in fact, any comparison between the two is pretty distasteful). It could be because that they living under regieme of a military junta, so, without belittling the plight of those affected by last years flood, the fact that some people in the UK aren't able to live in thier homes, and instead have to live in temporary accomodation is probably not on the top of thier list of priorities. Or, perhaps it could be that the UK is the 5th richest country on the planet with a 2.7 trillion dollar economy, and Burma is the 105th Richest. It would be like me helping out Richard Branson with the repair cost of his Private Jet. I cannot quite beleive that people would actually be against sending aid to Burma, it is pretty much beynd my comprehension. |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7856948)
You have absolutely no idea what I do or don't give to charity, so you are in no position at all to comment wheter it is as much as I can afford or not.
Maz, I'm saying those that support / tolerate the junta can deal with the short and longer term problems there. I am genuinely not interested. Its not nice, I know, but there you have it. Thankfully the Dutch Govt have only pledged a tiny amount of taxpayers (my) money so far. |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7856984)
We pledged? Who is this we?? And just who's money have they pledged? Not theirs... lol
I knew this would happen. :mad: How much did the Burmese contribute to Hull and Cleltenham last summer when they were innundated by floods? Did you know there are still families now who are unable to move back into their houses and have to live in caravans on their driveways? Some didn't even have insurance to cover the damage caused by that natural disaster. £5Million could go a long way to helping them in their plight and yet they get nothing. I wonder how they feel watching the news tonight? I don't remember 20,000 people dying in Hull, or scores of thousand homeless. If people are still suffering the after effects of the floods in this country then the government should bloody well sort that out too, but I suspect you'd be one of the first to start the usual bullsiht whining about spending 'your' tax money This has got absolutely fuk all to do with whether the military government in Burma gave money to us, this is about people who are in desparate need of emergency aid. Is SN sinking to new depths? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 7857057)
Is SN sinking to new depths? |
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7857044)
Well is it? Is your scoob more important to you than human life? Sell it and give. I know you want to. :cool: Hypocrites really get on my tits in case you couldn't tell.
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7857044)
IMHO ASEAN can and should take care of both the immediate needs and in the longer term also the political issues they have been conveniently ignoring.
Maz, I'm saying those that support / tolerate the junta can deal with the short and longer term problems there. I am genuinely not interested. Its not nice, I know, but there you have it. Thankfully the Dutch Govt have only pledged a tiny amount of taxpayers (my) money so far. |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7857079)
Surely the short term problem of 22,000 people dead and absolute devastation overrides any long term political targets.
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7857027)
they living under regieme of a military junta, so, without belittling the plight of those affected by last years flood, the fact that some people in the UK aren't able to live in thier homes, and instead have to live in temporary accomodation is probably not on the top of thier list of priorities..
By Blair's (NuLabour's) logic surely we should be raining down cruise missiles and laser guided bombs on them to remove the evil dictatorship and effect 'regime change', not showering them with aid. Ah but of course they have nothing we want. Let's just pledge some of other people's money to ease 'our' collective PC consciences instead. |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857104)
Ok then. Let's give 5million to a military junta. How much will get through to where it's required? It'll be spent on fancy cars and more weapons, as always.
By Blair's (NuLabour's) logic surely we should be raining down cruise missiles and laser guided bombs on them to remove the evil dictatorship and effect 'regime change', not showering them with aid. Ah but of course they have nothing we want. Let's just pledge some of other people's money to ease 'our' collective PC consciences instead. What has this tragedy and the people caught up in it got to do the political turmoil there? What has the war in iraq got to do with giving emergency aid? This isn't about easing anyone conscience, why should it be, it's no one fault, it's about trying to save as many lives and help as many of the victims as we, and the rest of the international community can You have a fairly strange and depressing view of the world |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 7857145)
This isn't about easing anyone conscience, why should it be, it's no one fault, it's about trying to save as many lives and help as many of the victims as we, and the rest of the international community can
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Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7857162)
Like I said to the other leftie chap, why not give everything you can then, rather than dictating that others must do so collectively instead. Don't tell me your scoob is more important than saving lives too? :nono:. You choose not to of course because finally your comforts are more important than the lives of total strangers too, aren't they? :o BTW I do quite a bit for worthy causes in total, but I'm sitting this one out.
Secondly we have a government that collects taxes (a lot from me for one). I expect my government to do the right things. Your arguement is just a smokescreen, for doing nothing |
Originally Posted by Geezer
(Post 7855753)
That is so easy to say from your safe home in the west isn't it? :nono:
Not so easy when the threat of real violence from the very people who are supposed to rule and protect you hangs over any dissidence whatsoever! Revolution is an easy word to bandy about, not so easy to do. Just hope people aren't so cavalier if you need any help. Geezer Revolutions include dying! |
Originally Posted by Sonic'
(Post 7856103)
Brown has pledged aid to MYANMAR
Like Europe is doing so well! Oh I forgot, they have just found a sh1t load of oil in Myanmar (BTW)!!! :sleep: |
That Burma thing is getting up a lot of peeps noses, it should'nt.
It is a bit hypocritical saying that everyone cares about everyone, and especially in those "3rd World" places. If you really want to care about tragedies, it should start in your own countries........... |
If people did not watch as much Skynews and CNN they would not get as over-excited as they do.
I dont see threads and cries of injustice when it comes to the massive influx of illegal immigrants who boat across the "pond" to the canaries or the south of spain and die by the THOUSANDS each year! Or that there are millions of ppl dying of Malaria, AIDS and civil war in Africa, and these places are on our doorstep practically! Not mention Darfur where Browny & co (before him) did fook all! Cant be arsed to put up with all the agro from ppl saying I am cold and dont care, you dont know me so...................... :nono: :nono: :nono: |
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 7857162)
Like I said to the other leftie chap,.
Originally Posted by Janspeed
Like Europe is doing so well!
Originally Posted by Janspeed
If you really want to care about tragedies, it should start in your own countries...........
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Originally Posted by Janspeed
(Post 7857257)
If people did not watch as much Skynews and CNN they would not get as over-excited as they do.
I dont see threads and cries of injustice when it comes to the massive influx of illegal immigrants who boat across the "pond" to the canaries or the south of spain and die by the THOUSANDS each year! Or that there are millions of ppl dying of Malaria, AIDS and civil war in Africa, and these places are on our doorstep practically! Not mention Darfur where Browny & co (before him) did fook all! Cant be arsed to put up with all the agro from ppl saying I am cold and dont care, you dont know me so...................... :nono: :nono: :nono: As for most of the things you mention, well obviously you haven't been reading the various threads relating to them, because people do care (at least some of us anyway) |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7857079)
Surely the short term problem of 22,000 people dead and absolute devastation overrides any long term political targets. My argument is not about numbers anyway - it's about principles - remember those? I forgot - the Left don't have any. They merely strive to make themselves look good.... ;) |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857267)
If they're already dead they don't need any handouts.... :p
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857267)
My argument is not about numbers anyway - it's about principles - remember those?
Nah, I don't ever remember having principles like that. |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857267)
I forgot - the Left don't have any. They merely strive to make themselves look good.... ;)
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we aren't exactly short of a few bob, and... Try telling them that..... and see how you fare..... :brickwall |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7857282)
Give me morals over principles any day of the week ;)
His 'moral compass' points only in the direction of his own vanity. (not unlike some others) :) |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857267)
If they're already dead they don't need any handouts.... :p I don't think that's a very nice thing to say in the circumstances. Is it supposed to be a witty reposte with suitable smiley or do you just care so little about the tragedy that is happening right now? dl |
Originally Posted by unclebuck
(Post 7857294)
Really? Try telling that to the cash strapped person who can't get credit and who's mortgage repayments are about to increase by X% Along with all the tax hikes, increased fuel and food costs, who is struggling to bring up a family and put their kids through school/higher education.
Try telling them that..... and see how you fare..... :brickwall (i)What impact do you think that £5 million would have on any of those "struggles"? (and again, I use the word comparatively) Bear in mind when responding, that £5million represents 9 pence for every man woman and child in the country. Not 9 pence per week, or per day. But just a single solitary 9 pence. Just what difference do you think that will make? (ii)As genuine as peoples problems are in this country, does it not seem decidedly wrong to you to compare the trials an tribulations of day to day life in the UK with that of those people affected by the cyclone in Burma? |
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