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Originally Posted by Nürburg_Ringa
(Post 6759563)
I found it too big, too 'floaty' even on hardest suspension. On the autobarhns I was getting single figure MPG. I couldn't park it anywhere without the arse sticking out as it's so bloody big.
The I drive! ARGHGHHGHGHGH crash after crash after crash. Stereo wpuld freeze up, had to take out the fuse countless times. Oil cosumption! Had to carry 2 litres with me at all times. Pain in the arse was glad to see the back off it, and lets face it u can't miss the back of it. Replaced it with a 997 Turbo. Its good to be back in Pork.... Enough Said! Sorry but for a 1.8tonne 4 door large saloon it didn't feel floaty to me at all. I have read alot about the software glitches you talk of. You couldn't park it anywhere without the arse sticking out? I'm not quite sure what that means:wonder: Fuel consumption is an issue, but I'm suprised that people are suprised by the thirst of a large 4 door saloon with 500+ BHP:wonder: I've never driven a 997 Turbo, but the 996tt I drove was very disappointing. Also if you can afford a 997 Turbo both in terms of money and practicality why mess around with a M5? The M5 is for people with half that money who need twice the space. |
Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6759578)
Ive been saying the same thing about that car for ages now.
If you want a fast big saloon, buy a E63 AMG or better still wait for the Lord of the rings new RS6. You've not driven either car you muppet:brickwall |
Originally Posted by Deep Singh
(Post 6759614)
Sorry but for a 1.8tonne 4 door large saloon it didn't feel floaty to me at all.
I have read alot about the software glitches you talk of. You couldn't park it anywhere without the arse sticking out? I'm not quite sure what that means:wonder: Fuel consumption is an issue, but I'm suprised that people are suprised by the thirst of a large 4 door saloon with 500+ BHP:wonder: I've never driven a 997 Turbo, but the 996tt I drove was very disappointing. Also if you can afford a 997 Turbo both in terms of money and practicality why mess around with a M5? The M5 is for people with half that money who need twice the space. I've had an RS4, another heavy 4 door car, MPG is what I'd expect. M5 is on a whole new world. 17-18 in 400bhp mode at a steady 120kph. I got it down to 6 when pressing on, and with the tiny tank I was filling up every day! I had to park at a hote in a busy city, I arrived late so spaces were limited. When I parked all you could se was this M5 ar$e hanging out, which screamed KEY ME KEY ME. Disaggree about the money, just because I can afford the 997 Turbo didn't mean I wanted to spend that much. I was hoping the M5 would be amazing. 997 Turbo is never going to inspire you like a GT3, but I have to have decent ground clearence for multi story car parks, otherwise would of gone GT3. You probably drove a tiptronic 996 :sleep: if it didnt inspire then get a 996 GT2, or manual Turbo S. So much torque if you are in traffic just leave it in 1 gear. :luxhello: |
Originally Posted by Nürburg_Ringa
(Post 6759643)
Well I had it for 3 months, and 15 laps of the ring. You drove it for 1 hour. On some roads it feels floaty :(
I've had an RS4, another heavy 4 door car, MPG is what I'd expect. M5 is on a whole new world. 17-18 in 400bhp mode at a steady 120kph. I got it down to 6 when pressing on, and with the tiny tank I was filling up every day! I had to park at a hote in a busy city, I arrived late so spaces were limited. When I parked all you could se was this M5 ar$e hanging out, which screamed KEY ME KEY ME. Disaggree about the money, just because I can afford the 997 Turbo didn't mean I wanted to spend that much. I was hoping the M5 would be amazing. 997 Turbo is never going to inspire you like a GT3, but I have to have decent ground clearence for multi story car parks, otherwise would of gone GT3. You probably drove a tiptronic 996 :sleep: if it didnt inspire then get a 996 GT2, or manual Turbo S. So much torque if you are in traffic just leave it in 1 gear. :luxhello: Still not sure about this theory re the 5 series arse hanging out shouting things. I would have thought a £100k Porker says 'key me key me' more than a 5 series BMW:wonder: I drove the tip and manual. As for getting a GT2 or Turbo S, as I mentioned I need a 4 door large saloon. But why buy a heavy 4 door saloon with a big boot if you only need a 2+2? Thanks for your input |
You can park the 997 and it can hide away. M5 sticks it's ar$e out. it's just something I found with allot of city parking. 997 is much easier.
I bought the M5 because I was bored with my 996 and fancied finding out what 500bhp was all about. Fact it had 4 seats had nothing to do with it for me, it was the fact is was an M5 :D You live in the UK, go above 97mph and your banned. Get the 535d, it's fast as you will ever need. Then get a track car for your buzz... |
Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6759534)
Exactly
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
(Post 6759482)
Matt, how can you say that you can have a 535D and a 911 for the £50k a M5 now costs? The 535D M is £35k second hand with good spec which leaves you with £15k. What kind of 911 you gonna get with £15k then??
For £50k you can have a well spec'd two year old 535d and a choice of 964, 993 or 996. Spend £28k on the 535 and £22k on the porker. Alternatively, spend £22k on a decent track car and a tow bar and trailer for the 535!! :D There is massive choice available if you know where to look. Matt |
Originally Posted by Nürburg_Ringa
(Post 6759563)
I found it too big, too 'floaty' even on hardest suspension. On the autobarhns I was getting single figure MPG. I couldn't park it anywhere without the arse sticking out as it's so bloody big.
The I drive! ARGHGHHGHGHGH crash after crash after crash. Stereo wpuld freeze up, had to take out the fuse countless times. Oil cosumption! Had to carry 2 litres with me at all times. Pain in the arse was glad to see the back off it, and lets face it u can't miss the back of it. Replaced it with a 997 Turbo. Its good to be back in Pork.... Enough Said! 1. Arse sticking out: try parallel parking. Jeez its a 5-series, I'm not really sure what you were expecting, it is after all a medium sized car. 2. Idrive: its a pain, but I've not really heard of it crashing before or the stero freezing. Something different about your car? 3. 2l of oil!!! Ha ha. I've filled 1.5 litres in the past six months. This included two all day trackdays at Bedford and a trip to, around and back from the Nurburgring. And that level of consumption is about what others are getting. 4. Single digit MPG on n Autobahn. Yes that does tend to happen when you floor it on a large engined car. Did you expect much else? If you are saying you get this at high speed cruising then sorry I doubt it very much! |
Originally Posted by Deep Singh
(Post 6759482)
Though I'm sure the 535D is a fantastic piece of kit this 'as fast as a M5 in the real world' line maybe a bit over the top.
Apart from when really raggin'it (and since I usually have my kids on board this isn't something I can do any more) the 335d feels just as quick, and the enormous torque means making good progress takes incredibly little effort. On the track an M5 would no doubt blitz a 335d, but on most UK roads it would almost certainly come down to who valued their driving license less. Gary. |
Originally Posted by MattOz
(Post 6758988)
Beef.
What do you drive? Gotta be pretty impressive to monster a 535d in the midrange. :D Whilst it's true that the 535d is as quick in the real world, I guess it depends on what you class as real world. On any congested road, or at a steady 70 :cough: on the motorway, then yes. Then again, you may as well be in a Micra. On a deserted Nurburgring, the M5 would disappear. I've driven an M5 on a number of occasions and it's an awesome bit of kit. For everyday use, it would p1ss me off with excessive thirst and consequently a tiny tank range. For me, my 535d makes more sense. Plus, I could put a 911, Noble, Caterfield, Atom etc in the garage for weekend blasts all for the same price as the M5. Matt For the other comments, while it's big, it's only an inch or two bigger length/width wise than my Mondeo estate - certainly not OTT! It also seems anything but floaty on our crap roads! The idrive has proven reliable too. I like the car - I think it's an excellent all-rounder. |
Originally Posted by GCollier
(Post 6759792)
As an ex 996 and RS6 owner who's switched to a 335d M-Sport I can sympathise with these 'real-world' comments.
Apart from when really raggin'it (and since I usually have my kids on board this isn't something I can do any more) the 335d feels just as quick, and the enormous torque means making good progress takes incredibly little effort. On the track an M5 would no doubt blitz a 335d, but on most UK roads it would almost certainly come down to who valued their driving license less. Gary. I'm not saying its rational! |
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Skittles, have you got the E60?
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Hi, yes I got the E60 last summer. Chopped in the RS6 which was a really different beast.
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
(Post 6757162)
Had a test drive of an E60 M5 today. Must say wasn't expecting that much, I wasn't that impressed by the M3, ride was too harsh for one thing.
The M5 is a beast. Engine: Its a peach. It just seems like it will go on forever. Power does not tail off up the rev range it just pulls and pulls. It seems to pull just as well above 100mph as it does below. The F1 style noise is addictive. Feels much much faster than the RS4. Gearbox. I like the SMG. Sometimes a fraction of a second delay in the upshift (never downshift?) but probably still better than my fluffed gear changes. Handling. Amazing. For a big ?1.7tonne car its handling is out of this world. It changes direction very well and I felt involved. Steering feel good also. All in all this is one of the best cars I have ever driven. It was as much fun to drive as a 997S (if not more) but can also seat my family in comfort. What more can you ask for? Will you be getting one Dr Singh? :) Ns04 |
so tell me E60 M5 owners why are the BMW forums littered with posts about how their M5 spends more time at the dealership than on their drive. Going by the owners forums the car has alot of electronic issues.
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6761387)
so tell me E60 M5 owners why are the BMW forums littered with posts about how their M5 spends more time at the dealership than on their drive. Going by the owners forums the car has alot of electronic issues.
The only systematic issue this car has suffered from is the optical sensor in the steering wheel flags a transmission error when it gets dusty. This part was redesigned and replaced under warranty. Its not even an urgent fix. Quite simple. There are some other sporadic issues individuals have had but that applies to all cars. No doubt you will find some cut and paste from the State of Alabama Democrat's party M5 owners' club that seems to say otherwise but, as always with you, I won't care as my own first had experience tells me otherwise. If I have a question on a volvo S40 or a transit I may ask you (although thats pretty doubtful), otherwise I'll continue to ignore your obscure cut and pastes. Go get banned again... you are a complete and utter joke!!! |
Originally Posted by Skittles
(Post 6761426)
Well, you see unlike you I like to base my statements on personal first-hand experience. I know this is a totally alien concept for you and I don't excpect you to understand.
The only systematic issue this car has suffered from is the optical sensor in the steering wheel flags a transmission error when it gets dusty. This part was redesigned and replaced under warranty. Its not even an urgent fix. Quite simple. There are some other sporadic issues individuals have had but that applies to all cars. No doubt you will find some cut and paste from the State of Alabama Democrat's party M5 owners' club that seems to say otherwise but, as always with you, I won't care as my own first had experience tells me otherwise. If I have a question on a volvo S40 or a transit I may ask you (although thats pretty doubtful), otherwise I'll continue to ignore your obscure cut and pastes. Go get banned again... you are a complete and utter joke!!! |
Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6761387)
so tell me E60 M5 owners why are the BMW forums littered with posts about how their M5 spends more time at the dealership than on their drive. Going by the owners forums the car has alot of electronic issues.
Human nature dictates that those with complaints will shout the loudest. This bbs is littered with complaints about subaru reliability. The VW forums are littered with complaints about reliability. The Audi forums will be littered with complaints about reliability (and why is my car so dull to drive?) etc, etc, etc. When we had a C2 Gt as a run around it was practically faultless for 20,000 miles. Yet the forums were full of complaints. It's the same for every marque. You only read about the negatives, never the positives. |
Originally Posted by ///\oo/\\\
(Post 6761524)
Its simple Gaylord.
Human nature dictates that those with complaints will shout the loudest. This bbs is littered with complaints about subaru reliability. The VW forums are littered with complaints about reliability. The Audi forums will be littered with complaints about reliability (and why is my car so dull to drive?) etc, etc, etc. When we had a C2 Gt as a run around it was practically faultless for 20,000 miles. Yet the forums were full of complaints. It's the same for every marque. You only read about the negatives, never the positives. You obviously havent been on an audi forum, because the sites arent littered with complaints like on the BMW M5 ones. There are no negatives with audi ;) |
Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6761536)
You obviously havent been on an audi forum, because the sites arent littered with complaints like on the BMW M5 ones. There are no negatives with audi ;)
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
(Post 6761442)
Ive never had a problem with my Mercedes E320, so that must obviously mean they are 100% reliable and no one else has any problems with the car :iamwithst
The thing about the e-class is that there have been SYSTEMATIC problems. Try reading my post. |
Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
(Post 6761110)
A discount??? :D
Will you be getting one Dr Singh? :) Ns04 |
Originally Posted by Skittles
(Post 6760989)
Hi, yes I got the E60 last summer. Chopped in the RS6 which was a really different beast.
Lucky bxxxstard!!:) What colour/spec have you got? Any pics? I'm really hankering for one now but am concerned about depreciation. Maybe if I waited until the end of the year it might be on a slightly flatter part of the depreciation curve? |
Hi, I'll post some pix up. Its Silverstone II with black interior. Extras are the logic 7, flappy seats, IPOD thing and a few other bits and bobs.
I reckon you are right on depreciation. Its currently at the fastest bit of the curve. Mine was a year old and I got £14k off the new price. |
I had a quick blast in mates M5, didn't feel like anything was happening till 130, which is both a compliment and a criticism (this is on A-roads :eek: ). Same with a 997S, except it was twitchy with it (lsd, -20mm). Modern cars are too good.
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Silverstone II is probably the best colour,even looks better than black which is my usual fave hue. The one I drove was interlagos blue which I thought didn't do the car justice.
The flappy seats are actually very good, they seem to be effective and very fast at reacting. The RS4 I drove last summer had something similar but nowhere near as good. Awaiting pics... |
Originally Posted by Deep Singh
(Post 6762736)
Silverstone II is probably the best colour,even looks better than black which is my usual fave hue. The one I drove was interlagos blue which I thought didn't do the car justice.
The flappy seats are actually very good, they seem to be effective and very fast at reacting. The RS4 I drove last summer had something similar but nowhere near as good. Awaiting pics... But do you buy any of the cars that you test drive!!! Everytime I look in the Other Marques section you've test drove a new car!!!!!! ;) |
Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
(Post 6770102)
Dont take this the wrong way!!! As Im only curious!!!!:thumb:
But do you buy any of the cars that you test drive!!! Everytime I look in the Other Marques section you've test drove a new car!!!!!! ;) |
Easy on the stereotypes. I know plenty of 'Indians' who flash the cash!
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